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05-08-2016 , 06:20 PM
This guy is so FOS
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05-08-2016 , 07:36 PM
"I don't wanna be talking too long..."

I think Joey has spoken for a total of 9-12 minutes so far.

The Talented Mr Qureshi.

Interesting but god damn son summarize a lil'.
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05-08-2016 , 08:16 PM
Pro skier and olympic champion Petter Northug would be an awesome guest on your podcast Joey.

https://www.highstakesdb.com/profile...NorthugJr.aspx
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05-08-2016 , 09:35 PM
JUNGLEMAN HYPE

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05-09-2016 , 02:03 AM
really enjoyed the HQ podcast.

well only an hr in so far, but 1st hr everything he said was just spot on. and everything from i can remember was accurate about girah etc.

Last edited by TooCuriousso1; 05-09-2016 at 02:11 AM.
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05-09-2016 , 02:30 AM
Some thoughts on Haseeb's claims that being a poker pro tends to make people unhappy:

1) There is a selection bias issue. People who are unhappy are probably more drawn to gambling and poker than those that aren't. Analogously, if you go to a bar at 3am and see all the depressed alcoholics, you shouldn't necessarily assume that it was the drinking that caused them to be depressed.

2) I believe there is evidence that analytical, thoughtful, self-reflective people are more prone to depression. This would suggest that the relationship between being a poker pro and unhappiness may be more correlational than causal.

That said, I think he is still probably right that there is a causal relationship of some degree between professional poker and unhappiness.
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05-09-2016 , 03:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Barry Champlain
"I don't wanna be talking too long..."

I think Joey has spoken for a total of 9-12 minutes so far.

The Talented Mr Qureshi.

Interesting but god damn son summarize a lil'.
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Originally Posted by btlvngd86
This guy is so FOS
Sorry Joey I make no secret of the fact I love your show but I couldn't think of anything worse than having to watch this dickhead for hours.

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oh yea I can it would be listening to the ****wit too
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05-09-2016 , 04:16 AM
Really loved the last podcast. His telling of the scandal was fascinating despite me knowing nothing about it before hand and he had a lot of interesting points.
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05-09-2016 , 05:42 AM
honestly, haseeb has been really well spoken.

i just have to argue with him a little about being unhappy and poker. i think maybe his anecdotal evidence can't be projected onto everyone. anyone that isn't happy has their own problem outside of poker i'd say. everyone needs to find happiness, whatever that means to themselves..

he prob had a lot of deeper problems before poker and after that he needed to figure out, glad to see him doing well tho kinda inspiring to see someone go against what everyone says about not being able to "make it" after poker.

i think anyone successful these days in poker making a good amount/year can do whatever they'd want to in life. poker has taught me so, so much. honestly poker saved my life and i owe it so much.

ok, now i'm getting to the point of him talking about people in the casino, ok that i can agree with 100 percent but most of those people are loser degenerates who haven't worked at the game and been through hell to become a real winner. when you come out on the other side you can start appreciating everything so much more and the stress doesn't seem to be that terrible when you're crushing it due to working hard every day.
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05-09-2016 , 07:09 AM
whats the story between ben86 and wcg?
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05-09-2016 , 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by btlvngd86
This guy is so FOS
Didn`t like that Haseeb huy AT ALL! However WCG podcast was so good and so real, unpatient for the Jungle one as well, keep up the awesome work!
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05-09-2016 , 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Mecastyles
whats the story between ben86 and wcg?
Hacked his dream machine imo
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05-09-2016 , 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by ChicagoJoey
To give a bit more backstory on Alex Scott- He started with WPT 11 years ago, worked in various roles at Pokerstars, Started at FTP 2 months before Black Friday and then started with Microgaming after. His official title is Head of Poker (I think everyone is CEO lol). He is responsible for everything that happens with poker at Microgaming.

What first put me on to Alex was the blog posts he writes which are not like much else I've read

This one about How to Value Poker Players is excellent: http://www.mpn.poker/blog/value-poker-players/

Seat Scripts:
http://www.mpn.poker/blog/scripts/

Parasites & Rake:
http://www.mpn.poker/blog/parasites-and-rake/

You can find all of the posts here :
http://www.mpn.poker/author/alexscott72o/


I thought it was amazing and refreshing how open he was being in discussing topics that we all wonder about and speculate but ultimately don't have much of an idea about coming from the operator side of things.

Then I found out that MPN rake at micro stakes is RIDICULOUSLY cheaper than all the other sites that exist right now. I'm def super excited to have him on to talk more about this stuff. I will be trying not to upset the PR people

This will actually take place May 16th 3pm EST
Ask him why does he act like he does pretend to care about seating scripts/reserved seats problem/table camping at MPN, yet he has done nothing about the issue in the past 1,5 years? It wouldn't even take more than a days worth of coding to implement, if not a foolproof solution, but a pretty solid workaround to prevent those problems.
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05-09-2016 , 10:17 AM
Will be live with Jungle in 45 mins

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05-09-2016 , 10:28 AM
What's the best way to watch old versions of your podcast?
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05-09-2016 , 01:21 PM
joey from Chicago is here oh yay!
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05-09-2016 , 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by 11t
What's the best way to watch old versions of your podcast?
Pornhub
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05-09-2016 , 01:32 PM
Cheers Papi and Jungle for a cool pod, don't normally get to catch it live.

Stop rippin on it while 24 tabling Joey it is not +EV

Last edited by PasswordGotHacked; 05-09-2016 at 01:34 PM. Reason: Also lol at the pod from a croatian toilet
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05-09-2016 , 01:50 PM
When I now try to see the jungle pod, it seems to start midway with 2h remaining? Only skips few first minutes so w-e.
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05-09-2016 , 02:42 PM
i ****ing love jungle lol

the illest
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05-09-2016 , 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by doctor877
When I now try to see the jungle pod, it seems to start midway with 2h remaining? Only skips few first minutes so w-e.
YouTube doesn't insta-process hours of video when it's uploaded.
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05-09-2016 , 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by plappaslappa
honestly, haseeb has been really well spoken.

i just have to argue with him a little about being unhappy and poker. i think maybe his anecdotal evidence can't be projected onto everyone. anyone that isn't happy has their own problem outside of poker i'd say. everyone needs to find happiness, whatever that means to themselves..

he prob had a lot of deeper problems before poker and after that he needed to figure out, glad to see him doing well tho kinda inspiring to see someone go against what everyone says about not being able to "make it" after poker.

i think anyone successful these days in poker making a good amount/year can do whatever they'd want to in life. poker has taught me so, so much. honestly poker saved my life and i owe it so much.

ok, now i'm getting to the point of him talking about people in the casino, ok that i can agree with 100 percent but most of those people are loser degenerates who haven't worked at the game and been through hell to become a real winner. when you come out on the other side you can start appreciating everything so much more and the stress doesn't seem to be that terrible when you're crushing it due to working hard every day.
tldr poker is a bad professional choice
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i think the poker community vastly underestimates how much of a poor decision it is to be a pro poker player long-term. this is talking about a large group so obviously we are speaking generally. generally speaking, i think the number of people that will have full time poker pro be +ev long term is very very small

studies show that there is a massive amount of depression in the winters of sweden. studies show that the most depressed areas of the united states have the most cloudy days. the weather is the most dominant factor in depression when talking about large groups (not individuals). do you know what the punishment for someone misbehaving in jail is? solitary confinement. we are social animals. isolation is brutal. studies prove this just by looking at how much babies are held and the life long consequences. we all know that if daddy isnt around then the chances of trinity ending up on the pole go up astronomically. we're social animals, isolation and social relationships are a huge part of our happiness which is what "success" actually is. online poker is isolating and i dont think the general poker population has the social skills to justify adding another social hurdle. generally i think the skills needed to be a good online pro come along with weaker social skills than the general population. isolating them is creating an uphill battle twice

another issue is the act of gambling. is it actually rewarding? going to the casino or the horse track can be better than drugs for rec gamblers. obviously if they did it every day, win or lose, thats going to change. same with sitting on a beach and sipping pina coladas. at a certain point youre going to want to gtfo. people want to feel like they have a purpose or contribute in some meaningful way. poker is obviously extremely low in this area. the other issue with gambling is the constant spikes of dopamine or whatever is happening in your dome begins to numb. theres no proof to this but constantly dealing with these spikes and/or the numbing of them, may be a bad thing for your overall mental state

the freedom fallacy. poker players love to talk about 25 hour work weeks in their underwear. again long-term i think this is negative ev on your happiness. it sounds sexy but being productive, having responsibility, and getting **** done is actually more rewarding for most. it kind of goes back to the pina colada on the beach theory. at some point it just gets sad. im confident that a vast majority of people will look at the 25 hour week in their underwear along with countless hours on forums and youtube as a huge regret. its not productive and being productive actually makes people happy (long term). the alternative isnt some form of cubicle hell. thats a convenient story to tell yourself

financial misconceptions. we all know by now that money doesnt make you happy. what poker player seem to underestimate is how much more important money should be to them. with a set of skills that make you employable, your current income and bank roll become less important. when you have limited skills and employability as a poker player you need and rely on money far more. your pov is much closer to a retiree than it is a highly employable person with a secure job. thats stressful

another financial misconception that is talked about is the opportunity cost. obviously making money in poker can get you way ahead but when you leave, those in the work force will be 4 or 5 steps up the ladder from you. i think the misconception that isnt really talked about is the fact that poker players get crushed both personally and financially on the way out of the game. they either start to win less, break even, or lose on the way out. if their decision to leave is financial then they have a transition period. that big stack of paper poker earned you gets a lot smaller once you are fully transitioned. if the reason for leaving poker is personal then the costs associated are obvious and large

there are very few examples of long term success both personal and financial in poker. i think the number of players that have left the game un happy with the game itself, their social life, or by finances has absolutely dwarfed the number of players that have had success in those areas long term. then if you take the number of long term successful poker pros you need to look at how many of them are relying on table winnings vs other ventures and sponsorship. the number of long term success stories plummets from tiny to miniscule. as an online pro what % actually get a sponsorship and how many of those sponsorships are even all that great?

we are all different and theres not a singular reason to say why being an online pro is a bad idea but as a whole i think its just a terrible idea long-term. there is a significant list of reasons for this that will affect different people with a different weight. i think poker just creates so many uphill battles that it just takes blind ignorance to soldier on with no plan b

all that said there is a place for poker and it is very beneficial if dealt with properly imo. i think getting ahead financially early in life is massively + ev. i think theres massive benefits in challenging yourself with anything. being real with yourself in how you earned your success and how/where you may have failed is a valuable life lesson. i just think poker needs to be approached properly and a huge part of the population ranges from slightly delusional to completely oblivious. this is not a long term endevour. if you dont have a plan b you need to be working on one. your mind set should be its a tool to supplement income, or its a way to make a pile of cash and then gtfo. either way you need a plan b. if you happen to be the 1% of the 1% that can be happy and successful long term in poker then it will just happen, you shouldnt focus 100% of your attention and energy on that. plan b should be the top priority for online pros

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05-09-2016 , 04:14 PM
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Edit: Somehow I butt dialed a post on my phone, and idk how to delete it... So thanks for the podcasts!

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05-09-2016 , 04:37 PM
don't want to fire too many shots because a lot of this was before my time, but i'm pretty sure hasseb came off way better than he should of because of his ability to speak well. There was a bunch of shady stuff involved that wasn't discussed.
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05-09-2016 , 05:08 PM
Seems like a cool guy to me dor sure.
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