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04-21-2014 , 02:32 PM

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Omar Comin

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Do you guys think Oberyn would rather bang old Dario or new Dario?

04-21-2014 , 02:35 PM

#2202

Mark Ross

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Old Dario ainec.

04-21-2014 , 02:35 PM

#2203

D104

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In essos, old Dario bang you.

04-21-2014 , 02:40 PM

#2204

D104

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So assuming olenna and LF are working together, the plan is what? Kill Joffrey, have everyone blame Sansa, and have LF hide her as a fugitive? Having ppl blame Tyrion seems like an accident, the only reason he looks guilty is because of the cup bearer thing, which they seemingly could not have predicted. What is the point of Sansa in all this? What are the plans for her?

04-21-2014 , 02:52 PM

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If that actually is how it went down, then They need to hide Sansa to keep her safe. If Tyrion is gonna be the fall guy then Sansa isn't safe, and Olenna likes her so she doesn't want her involved

04-21-2014 , 02:54 PM

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Olenna and the necklace:

After checking it out while talking to Sansa, she refers to Tyrion as her "pauper of a husband." This could signify that she could tell the "stones" were cut glass and therefore isn't in on the plot, since she'd be assuming Tyrion bought her the necklace.

04-21-2014 , 02:57 PM

#2207

shakalakashakaboom

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheChamp11

If that actually is how it went down, then They need to hide Sansa to keep her safe. If Tyrion is gonna be the fall guy then Sansa isn't safe, and Olenna likes her so she doesn't want her involved

I think Olenna is more or less a kind hearted person, but she's also playing the game-- she's not orchestrating some elaborate escape scheme for Sansa just because she likes her. At least that's not how I read her. Sansa is still seen as the key to the North, and should this be a slow motion coup, Sansa would need to be hidden away until the balance of power shifts in their favor and they can utilize her value without it being suicidal.

04-21-2014 , 03:00 PM

#2208

D104

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If that actually is how it went down, then They need to hide Sansa to keep her safe. If Tyrion is gonna be the fall guy then Sansa isn't safe, and Olenna likes her so she doesn't want her involved

But the thing is it appears that Tyrion as the fall guy was merely by chance. Seems like Sansa was intended to be the fall guy since they sneak her away. The lannisters should blame her since she disappears and it is known she hates Joffrey. It looks like the plan was for everyone to blame Sansa and for LF to hide her? I dunno.

04-21-2014 , 03:00 PM

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New Dario clearly the worst miscasting in the show's history thus far, thankfully he's a minor character but still, given the type of character he's supposed to be the old guy fit the part, the new guy not even close.

04-21-2014 , 03:02 PM

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Good point. Oust the lannisters, bring her out from hiding, "pardon" her, declare her marriage null, let her marry Loras (LF?) and control the north?

04-21-2014 , 03:10 PM

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Yeah, I mean, it's a possibility... I really like how the writers are playing this. In most shows the mystery is either revealed or not. It either is dragged out, or not. Here, it seems that the whodunit is elaborate enough that we may just get layers of it revealed throughout the season. So far we know Baelish is in on it, Olenna is likely, and Tywin is possible.

04-21-2014 , 03:11 PM

#2212

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No, Cersei doesn't suspect Tyrion because he was the cup bearer but because he had told her that he'd take something from her that she loves. Anyone with insight to the Lannister family could know and exploit that. Sansa leaving makes him even more suspect.

04-21-2014 , 03:11 PM

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And to think, all this crazy **** happened because Jaime just had to **** his sister

04-21-2014 , 03:12 PM

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Good point. Just fortuitous that Tyrion is left standing there looking dumbfounded with the chalice in his hand.

04-21-2014 , 03:19 PM

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Good point. Just fortuitous that Tyrion is left standing there looking dumbfounded with the chalice in his hand.

I think that's probably what happened.

It's now kind of a mystery why they hid the poison in Sansa's necklace because it doesn't seem to be to set up Sansa. Perhaps to set up Tyrion in Sansa's absence through guilt by association but that seems like FPS.

04-21-2014 , 03:21 PM

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Maybe the necklace is just to get Sansa to trust the fool in the moment so she can be extracted. If she hadn't seen him in years, less likely that she'd run off with him when asked.

04-21-2014 , 03:23 PM

#2217

Ray Horton

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Originally Posted by shakalakashakaboom

Great observation.

I was of the opinion that much of Olenna's "suspicious" behavior this episode could be explained without her being involved in some plot to kill the king.

04-21-2014 , 03:25 PM

#2218

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I'm starting to feel meh about Tywin's involvement. It's not just that he kills Joffery, but it also causes a lot of other unnecessary family drama. The only reason to suspect he his involved is because he seemed to know Oberyn didn't do it but maybe I'm reading too much into that.

I'm back to thinking it's Olenna and LF and that it's a power play for the rule of KL.

04-21-2014 , 03:26 PM

#2219

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Quote:

Originally Posted by D104

Maybe the necklace is just to get Sansa to trust the fool in the moment so she can be extracted. If she hadn't seen him in years, less likely that she'd run off with him when asked.

I like that - makes it irrelevant whether she wears it to the wedding or not - although not sure why LF would need to have it made instead of just finding a cheap one.

04-21-2014 , 03:26 PM

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LF turned on ned b/c he wanted catelyn. He's a major creep so probably same thing with Sansa really. Fool dying was a lock; I'm a bit afraid they've tipped off too much during the show what's going to happen compared to other seasons.

got spoiled on LF from some book reading idiot reading about this on another site. Book readers are confirmed awful people. (I'm not spoiled now though, hope to keep it that way!)

Amazing how everyone hates new dario.

Don't see Tywin being in on it either. I think he's too pro lannister for that.

04-21-2014 , 03:27 PM

#2221

Nick Royale

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Maybe the necklace is just to get Sansa to trust the fool in the moment so she can be extracted. If she hadn't seen him in years, less likely that she'd run off with him when asked.

Yeah I was thinking this too, but what about the missing gem?

04-21-2014 , 03:27 PM

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Ray Horton

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The only thing that would lead me to believe Tywin could be involved in this plot is his concern with legacy is massive--Tommen (advised by him) >>>>>>>>> renegade Joff. I absolutely don't think he was involved in setting up Tyrion--he already has one kingslaying son, he doesn't want to have two.

04-21-2014 , 03:29 PM

#2223

Nick Royale

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Great observation.

I was of the opinion that much of Olenna's "suspicious" behavior this episode could be explained without her being involved in some plot to kill the king.

I'm not even sure she was suspicious this episode. I just don't have an explanation for why she'd steal a glass "gem".

04-21-2014 , 03:32 PM

#2224

Ray Horton

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Originally Posted by Nick Royale

I'm not even sure she was suspicious this episode. I just don't have an explanation for why she'd steal a glass "gem".

Neither do I. I'm referring to her behavior in the purple wedding episode, not last night's BTW.

I was referring to all the people ITT who made a huge deal out of her talking to Sansa about DEATHS AT WEDDINGS, MONSTERS, and such. Nothing she said to Sansa is inconsistent with her non-involvement in some murder plot--she likes Sansa and was commiserating with her IMO.