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11-25-2013 , 01:04 AM
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Originally Posted by King Of The Donks
Just started grinding SNGs on a regular basis and I have a tonne of leaks IMO. Am still beating $15 & $30 turbo 6 and 9 man for 5.7% ROI over 20k hands and 423 tournaments over the last 8 days. I 6 to 8 table atm, but plan to jack that up and put in tonnes more volume. What I want to know is 10% gettable at $15 & $30 STT turbos? What are the very top players ROI? And when will I begin to see a reasonably accurate ROI? Also, is there a big jump in class from $15 & $30 STT turbos to $60?

I have ran about even with all in equity so far and feel like I have been on the wrong end of bucketloads of coolers the last 200 or so SNGs ( though I'm sure we all think that! ). I really do appreciate any feedback as I am a live cash player first and foremost.

Thanks.
You are probably running a bit hot as it is and without a lot of work, 10% is quite unlikely, especially if you play decent volume. It's my understanding that any sort of positive ROI at the $60s would be good if you're playing a lot of tables. Not to put you off but you need to understand that it takes a lot of work and study to be good and the rewards are fairly hard to come by these days.
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11-25-2013 , 05:36 PM
Is there a major difference between 6 person double ups vs 12 person? Do you basically play there same, tight early and try to make the bubble with decent amount of chips to push fold spots for blinds
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11-25-2013 , 05:36 PM
$1.50 6-max Hyper Turbo

MP: 1,037 (34.6 bb)
Hero (CO): 439 (14.6 bb)
BTN: 289 (9.6 bb)
SB: 424 (14.1 bb)
BB: 811 (27 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 9 9
MP folds, Hero raises to 67, 2 folds, BB calls 37

Flop: (164) 2 3 7 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets 83, BB calls 83

Turn: (330) K (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets 286 and is all-in, BB folds


Would betting bigger on the flop and calling/shoving any turn be better?
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11-25-2013 , 08:45 PM
I recently learned about Battle of the Planets in pokerstars. Based on the description, it says "For the Low Orbit Leader Board, your points total is recorded in blocks of 20 tournaments. You may play up to five 20-tournament blocks per division in any given week." and "For the High Orbit Leader Board, your points total is recorded in blocks of 100 tournaments. There is no limit to the number of high volume blocks you can play in a given week, and no limit on the number of divisions in which you can participate."

1. Is there a way to know how many tournaments you already played for the week (without counting it)?

2. Do you aim to get a top 10 on it? (playing a block of 20 or 100, by playing quality instead of quantity?) Or simply play your game and don't even think about the Leader Board and just see if you get in it at the end of the week?
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11-25-2013 , 09:52 PM
jdawg91, what is an attainable roi for 4 tabling heads up hypers and supers on Stars and Tilt. $20 level.
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11-26-2013 , 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Lamboro
$1.50 6-max Hyper Turbo

MP: 1,037 (34.6 bb)
Hero (CO): 439 (14.6 bb)
BTN: 289 (9.6 bb)
SB: 424 (14.1 bb)
BB: 811 (27 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 9 9
MP folds, Hero raises to 67, 2 folds, BB calls 37

Flop: (164) 2 3 7 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets 83, BB calls 83

Turn: (330) K (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets 286 and is all-in, BB folds


Would betting bigger on the flop and calling/shoving any turn be better?
cbet size is good, i probably check back turn with intention of calling rivers, betting if checked to us

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Originally Posted by pupil
I recently learned about Battle of the Planets in pokerstars. Based on the description, it says "For the Low Orbit Leader Board, your points total is recorded in blocks of 20 tournaments. You may play up to five 20-tournament blocks per division in any given week." and "For the High Orbit Leader Board, your points total is recorded in blocks of 100 tournaments. There is no limit to the number of high volume blocks you can play in a given week, and no limit on the number of divisions in which you can participate."

1. Is there a way to know how many tournaments you already played for the week (without counting it)?

2. Do you aim to get a top 10 on it? (playing a block of 20 or 100, by playing quality instead of quantity?) Or simply play your game and don't even think about the Leader Board and just see if you get in it at the end of the week?
1. It counts I believe if you go requests > sng leaderboard points, if not, you can just email PS support and they'd tell you

2. Just grinddddd, I don't even look at it really myself.

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Originally Posted by King Of The Donks
jdawg91, what is an attainable roi for 4 tabling heads up hypers and supers on Stars and Tilt. $20 level.
Honestly I don't really know as I don't play HU, maybe like 3% pre rb? I would do some searching or ask in the HU subforum tbh
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/185/heads-up-sng/

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Originally Posted by GrowthFactor
Is there a major difference between 6 person double ups vs 12 person? Do you basically play there same, tight early and try to make the bubble with decent amount of chips to push fold spots for blinds
Haven't played or thought about these games at all, but would assume you should play them quite similarly

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Originally Posted by GutPunch
Can anyone rec some (free, non HM/PT) software to track SNG results on Bovada? Even a link to a manual entry excel sheet would be great
don't know anything, sorry
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12-02-2013 , 04:53 AM
How accurate are sharkscope and HEM EV for calculating KO 9 man turbos?
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12-02-2013 , 05:13 AM
Dunno, but sadly didn't find a program yet that tracks them correctly, sharkscope does the best job.
All HEM/PT versions make mistakes in reading the bounties. Talked to supports about this a lot, sometimes a new version seemed to cut it but then did mistakes again. I gave up to waste time on this, exact results shouldn't matter anyway ^^
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12-03-2013 , 12:11 AM
hello guys.

just got back into playing STTs. been dabbling at the $5 double ups at bovada. Was playing around with the ICM calculator and found something that surprised me.

Equity with 6 people with even stacks is .50

Equity for a guy with 3k chips with 4 opponents at 1500 chips is .8

So that would suggest that if you're in the BB, and it's folded to the SB who open shoves his stack into you, you should call if you think you have 60% equity in the hand. I always assumed the BE point would be much higher.

So I guess my actual question is, am I applying the ICM calculator correctly here, or am I missing stuff? Thanks.
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12-03-2013 , 03:52 AM
quick question im trying to do a little homework
what payout structure should i be plugging in for 6max DoN?
in 10m ive seen that 40/10/10/10/10 but dnt play full ring
should i be using 33/33/33 or something weird as well?
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12-03-2013 , 10:07 AM
i didn't realize the idea was to alter the payout structure for DoNs. i have a lot to relearn apparently.
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12-05-2013 , 02:02 PM
Nash pushing ranges on 3-handed bubble for example are too tight. How do I adjust to that? How do I know what's the most -EV % I should take?
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12-07-2013 , 06:10 PM
Does Bovada run hyper turbo SNGs? Do any US-facing sites have more hyper turbo action than Carbon/Aced?

I am looking to play games in the $10-$60 stake range.

Thx.
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12-08-2013 , 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Lamboro
Nash pushing ranges on 3-handed bubble for example are too tight. How do I adjust to that? How do I know what's the most -EV % I should take?
I would suggest checking out HoldemResources's calcuator, has future game simulation built into it.

A lot of knowing what + or - edges to apply is based on how the players around you play; once you figure that out, you'll be doing well on the bubble

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Originally Posted by anteatereater
Does Bovada run hyper turbo SNGs? Do any US-facing sites have more hyper turbo action than Carbon/Aced?

I am looking to play games in the $10-$60 stake range.

Thx.
Yep, the hyper turbos go off on there pretty quickly at the $50 and $100 level too during 'peak' time. Lol structure (worse than merge/cake), high rake, 4 table maximum, but the games are decent
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12-08-2013 , 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by jdawg91
Yep, the hyper turbos go off on there pretty quickly at the $50 and $100 level too during 'peak' time. Lol structure (worse than merge/cake), high rake, 4 table maximum, but the games are decent
cool. thx.
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12-10-2013 , 04:30 AM
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Originally Posted by jdawg91
, 4 table maximum
Bovada essentially hates money?
Srsly wonder what the reason for that is.
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12-10-2013 , 05:49 AM
Is it possible to find out these things from my Database (I use HM2) and if yes, how? (These are just examples)

1. What is average shoving range of my opponents when they're in BTN with 10 big blinds left?
2. What is the calling range of BTN when CO shoves with 10bb?
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12-10-2013 , 06:24 PM
I have HM2 and for 18man "$ICM Diff " is always 0.
Does PT track ev winnings correctly for these sngs?
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12-11-2013 , 11:32 AM
anybody else here also cannot see hyper games on pokerstars? Server problems or game removed or just me being stupid again?
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12-11-2013 , 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by pupil
anybody else here also cannot see hyper games on pokerstars? Server problems or game removed or just me being stupid again?
Same problem here, made me very confused.
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12-12-2013 , 12:00 AM
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Same problem here, made me very confused.
TY. problem is now solved.
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12-13-2013 , 03:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Lamboro
Is it possible to find out these things from my Database (I use HM2) and if yes, how? (These are just examples)

1. What is average shoving range of my opponents when they're in BTN with 10 big blinds left?
2. What is the calling range of BTN when CO shoves with 10bb?
1. Reports > winning summary > more filters > basic filters > position and action (choose btn for hero and unopened) > other advanced filters > hero stack in bbs is....

2. Same thing, hero is BTN, change facing 1 raise from CO


And then just make sure and change your 'hero' to that player you are looking up the stats on, and that should work
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12-14-2013 , 05:26 AM
Anyone knowing what SN-Rakeback is in % for 100k/200k/300k VPP starting as Supernova in 2014? Too lazy to calculate on my own, sure someone has numbers in his head
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12-14-2013 , 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by LeaksSuck
Anyone knowing what SN-Rakeback is in % for 100k/200k/300k VPP starting as Supernova in 2014? Too lazy to calculate on my own, sure someone has numbers in his head
www.fpppro.com/pokerstars-rakeback.php


Approximately 37%, 41%, 43%

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12-15-2013 , 12:07 AM
Hello, just started playing poker again. Trying to post hands daily. Right now I'm playing $1.20 SNGs on Merge. Wanted some feedback on these two hands. Did I play them right? What should I have done differently?

Hero (BB): 2,640
UTG: 1,025
MP: 915
CO: 3,115
BTN: 2,855
SB: 2,950

SB posts SB 60, Hero posts BB 120

Pre Flop: (pot: 180) Hero has 5 8

fold, MP calls 120, fold, fold, SB calls 60, Hero checks

Flop: (360, 3 players) 6 3 7
SB bets 120, Hero calls 120, MP raises to 795 and is all-in, fold, Hero calls 675

Turn: (2,070, 2 players) Q

River: (2,070, 2 players) 3

Spoiler:
Hero shows 5 8 (One Pair, Threes) (Pre 49%, Flop 37%, Turn 36%)
MP shows 4 4 (Two Pair, Fours and Threes) (Pre 51%, Flop 63%, Turn 64%)
MP wins 2,070



MP: 3,400
CO: 390
BTN: 1,945
SB: 3,555
Hero (BB): 1,665
UTG: 2,545

SB posts SB 60, Hero posts BB 120

Pre Flop: (pot: 180) Hero has 4 4

UTG calls 120, MP raises to 240, fold, fold, SB calls 180, Hero calls 120, UTG calls 120

Flop: (960, 4 players) 9 5 5
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, MP bets 480, fold, Hero raises to 1,425 and is all-in, fold, MP calls 945

Turn: (3,810, 2 players) 9

River: (3,810, 2 players) J

Spoiler:
MP shows K J (Two Pair, Jacks and Nines) (Pre 51%, Flop 40%, Turn 88%)
Hero shows 4 4 (Two Pair, Nines and Fives) (Pre 49%, Flop 60%, Turn 12%)
MP wins 3,810

Last edited by Sterling Cooper; 12-15-2013 at 12:19 AM.
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