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11-04-2013 , 10:04 PM
Just picking up 6m hypers and I feel like Ive got plenty of study material to dig into the next few days and some good friends on skype who can help me with alot of things.

But something that I still havent figured out yet, a good stack and tile software and possibly a thread to multiple recommendations/how to's etc concerning that.
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11-05-2013 , 12:36 AM
I don't use any programs like that, but from what I've heard, TO is better than SaT
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/16...mizer-1355861/
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11-05-2013 , 04:14 AM
I don't get it how ppl manage to tile when playing reasonable #tables.
I tried once and had so many misclicks, oversaw some bets, HUD overlapped with everything and that was on 2 big screens with just 8 tables total for a testing session ^^
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11-05-2013 , 01:31 PM
If you're tilting a bunch of tables you just gotta actually be paying attention. Constantly trying to watch a hand, pre fold a hand, etc Can't just sit there and wait for **** to pop up. It's different if you're not used to it I guess

Also putting 8 tables on 2 mons is gonna slow you down for sure =p Sometimes we forget to look at the other monitor
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11-05-2013 , 04:10 PM
Can anyone recommend me a good tablestarter for 6max HT sngs other than sharkystrator (it is not running on my system anymore)?
Pokersite: pokerstars

Would be very grateful!
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11-08-2013 , 06:06 AM
What are your default opening ranges in 9men SNG at early stage from every position?
to be more specific, small blinds 10/20 -> 25-50, eff. stack 30BB-50BB, small icm tax.

For example UTG 9 handed early should be around 88+ AQo+ AJs+. maybe thats too tight, not sure, thats why im curious what are you guys opening.

(if you could be more specific, write MP1 MP2... instead of just MP)

i checked these ranges on the web but they are quite different from each other sometimes. so i rather asked.

thank you for any help and advice.
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11-08-2013 , 06:12 AM
Depends on a lot of factors, having standard opening ranges without looking at all circumstances is bad.
But for a starting point, your 88 AJs AQo from utg seems pretty much ok. Probably remove AJs and add some lower pp or SCs, esp. if you make it 2.x routinely at the early levels. But again it depends on the table and also your postflop skills etc. If you're bad postflop and your opposition is tough, opening AJs utg will cost you a lot.
Example: Having 3 fish with 40/5ish stats in there which will flat your 2x raise a ton and stack off with any tp or maybe worse is a totally different situation than a table with 5 regs and 2 weaktight guys and this affects how and which ranges you wanna open.
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11-08-2013 , 06:35 AM
ill explain what i mean by default range.
lets say you are 24 tabling. there are low blinds on every table. you usually go with some default range because tables are poping really fast xou dont have the time studiying stats of every player left to act. for example on EP you know you have to fold AT or KQo no matter against who you play. or lets say you dont have any stats. you dont know who is the reg, who is nit or lag fish.

yes this is pretty unrealistic but i want to know these default ranges so i can make adjustments from them. i know that on the CO when players to act are very nity, i will open more hands and vice versa when they are very loose.
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11-08-2013 , 06:39 AM
I understand what you mean, but thing is that poker is complex and the thing you're looking for doesn't cut it.
If you're lacking the time to adapt your opening ranges to the other players, you're just playing too many tables (also playing too many tables will decrease your study progress by a lot and this is what you def don't want at the point where you ask these kind of questions

I suggest starting out at sth like AQ 88, but this is an arbitrary average utg and by no means optimal, so don't blame me if you start doing this and face a lot of difficult spots where you make mistakes ^^
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11-08-2013 , 07:03 AM
i understand what you mean but still early in a sng when i play against few known regs, some fish and unknowns and i am 75BB deep, this ranges, especially from earlier positions dont vary that much.

so i would almost always open ranges of

UTG: 88+ AQo+ AJs+
UTG+1: 88+ AQo+ AJs+ KQs
MP1: 77+ AJo+ ATs+ KQo KJs+
...

MP1 for example. sometimes i would just fold ATs when there are many loose passive fish. sometimes oi would raise hands like 66 or A9s-A8s when the table is super nity.

but without any information i would always open my default opening ranges.
and remember. im asking about early stage. low icm tax, deep stacks, small blinds.

i was just wondering what other people default opening range is so i can check if i am missing some raises or if a am too lose from time to time.
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11-08-2013 , 07:08 AM
Best advice I can come up with:
Just start out trying sth like this at the micros, you're gonna face a lot of spots where you have absolutely no clue how to proceed or have some rough idea.
Take those hands, write down every assumption you're making, try to put ppl on ranges and find a reasoning why you wanted to do what you did. Post the hands, try to differentiate which answers are helpful (e.g. guys with 5k+ posts are unlikely to ever give you awful advice if they aren't sarcastic ^^), rethink all the stuff, play again.
Never be afraid of asking potentially dumb questions, cause this is what fixes your biggest leak in the quickest way, but better use search function and ask them in this thread, rather than spamming forum with stuff had been asked 20x before.
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11-08-2013 , 08:38 AM
He asked the same question again two times after you explained it was more complicated than that (and started a now lock thread where the question was answered twice). Really think he is going to get it this time?
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11-08-2013 , 08:46 AM
I can at least keep a pure conscience having tried to give back, but you're probably right anyway
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11-08-2013 , 09:12 AM
Sometimes (a lot of the time) they don't read the response very well because it doesn't have the answer they want. Ofc, then they just reask the same question. If you ignore them, either they will stop checking a few days from now, or hopefully, they will reread the first response and figure out the question was already answered. Maybe I'm just old and weathered.
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11-08-2013 , 12:45 PM
I'm transitioning from cash to sng and I'm thinking to buy sng wizard, but is it the best and most accurate program? I have heard that a lot of mid and high stake sng players don't use sng wizard because its not precise(idk by how much) they use their own charts.
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11-08-2013 , 12:51 PM
Don't know if that counts as ad, but I'd ask user "Q" for a superior alternative.
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11-08-2013 , 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Cirvis
I'm transitioning from cash to sng and I'm thinking to buy sng wizard, but is it the best and most accurate program? I have heard that a lot of mid and high stake sng players don't use sng wizard because its not precise(idk by how much) they use their own charts.
wiz sucks, use either sng solver or icmizer (or both as I do)
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11-08-2013 , 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by jdawg91
wiz sucks, use either sng solver or icmizer (or both as I do)
Thanks.

Im new to sng where should I start? I know cash from sng differs a lot so I dont have any idea how should I play, when to open early in the game etc...

Mb some very nice people could give me some good(not out of date) articles for micros.
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11-08-2013 , 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Cirvis
Thanks.

Im new to sng where should I start? I know cash from sng differs a lot so I dont have any idea how should I play, when to open early in the game etc...

Mb some very nice people could give me some good(not out of date) articles for micros.
Don't have anything specific I can give you, but I'd just suggest to buy a membership to a training site; have never used one so I don't know which is best WRT sng material atm, but I'm sure if you searched or asked around, you could find out.

Other thing you can do is rail some mid-hssngs (if you're playing stts that is) to see what regs consider 'standard.'
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11-08-2013 , 06:27 PM
lol2007 but better than nothing I suppose.

http://cvsng.blogspot.com/2007/11/partial-sng-book.html

Nothing has changed since then I swear Probably good enough to get you to where you can post some hands and ask questions. GLGLGLGL. Please read FAQ/stickies. Good stuff there too.
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11-08-2013 , 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by jdawg91
Don't have anything specific I can give you, but I'd just suggest to buy a membership to a training site; have never used one so I don't know which is best WRT sng material atm, but I'm sure if you searched or asked around, you could find out.

Other thing you can do is rail some mid-hssngs (if you're playing stts that is) to see what regs consider 'standard.'


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lol2007 but better than nothing I suppose.

http://cvsng.blogspot.com/2007/11/partial-sng-book.html

Nothing has changed since then I swear Probably good enough to get you to where you can post some hands and ask questions. GLGLGLGL. Please read FAQ/stickies. Good stuff there too.
Thanks a lot guys I will check that those sites out.
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11-09-2013 , 08:28 AM
Yeah, imho one of the best things you can do to get a first feeling how they play is actively watching a training video of s.o. who's really good at his limits. So stop before every decision, think about any ranges, possible actions and reasoning and compare to his thoughts. Lot of it might be really surprising if you've not played any game with non-linear chip values before, but if you managed to get good at cash I see no reason why this shouldn't work at STT with good work
btw why are you transitioning?
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11-09-2013 , 12:35 PM
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Yeah, imho one of the best things you can do to get a first feeling how they play is actively watching a training video of s.o. who's really good at his limits. So stop before every decision, think about any ranges, possible actions and reasoning and compare to his thoughts. Lot of it might be really surprising if you've not played any game with non-linear chip values before, but if you managed to get good at cash I see no reason why this shouldn't work at STT with good work
btw why are you transitioning?
Thanks for advice.

Cash is more complex and when I compared my win rate @ cash and my friends win rate @ SnG, He was making same amount of money but playing lot less than me. And it looked that in SnG variance, at least at micros, is much smaller than in cash.
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11-10-2013 , 07:01 AM
It's the exact opposite, variance in STT is a whole lot larger than in Cash Games, at least if we're talking about turbos and esp. hypers. Normal speeds obv lower, but they are pretty much irrelevant, cause there isn't enough traffic for them on any significant buy-ins.
If that's your concern, you're seriously way better off playing cash. Dunno what your friends showed you, but if they made easy money in a short period of time and told you sth about low variance (lol), chance is pretty high they're just running hot ^^
Look at bbv thread to get an impression how sick variance can be.

Micros are easily beatable for a good chunk and chances for big downswings are obv way lower when running two digit roi or sth, but rake is awful and you simply won't make a good $/h there. For anyone who's decent at SnG, playing micros is a waste of time, it's just the thing which should be done for learning the very basics or just having fun betting some chips.
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11-10-2013 , 09:52 AM
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wiz sucks, use either sng solver or icmizer (or both as I do)
Why is SngSolver and ICMIZER better than SNGWiz?
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