Anfernee your 3! stat from button is incredible @ 20%. You must be a wizard postflop.

You must be getting 3! constantly by observant players. How do you play these weak hands postflop? Are these hands fit or fold or do you try and bluff with them? I know you have a high WTSD so I'm just curious how you play them.

I know for me, I would probably be c/f a lot of flops and turns.

Yeah I get 3 bet a ton, you have to be willing to fight back postflop. And, yes a lot of times you can only c/f the flop.

+2.68BB/100 over that stretch. I left out the BB/100 so as to not influence/sway responses. Just left it at pure stats ya dig?

My BB/100 based on pos is:
SB: -7.2
BB: -18.5
UTG: 7.2
MP: 12.3
CO: 9.45 (dunno why this is lower.maybe not enough hands for convergence)
BTN: 14.27

I have no idea what I'm opening UTG as far as a range is concerned. I don't know what 20% looks like off the top of my head. What I open varies based on table make up. As for my WTSD, I wouldn't try to aim to showdown a specific percentage of the time. If you aim to SD 44% but don't know why you're doing it, you're going to bleed BBs.

i think you open lighter than i do from UTG. i tend to open most of those hands except the T8s and below. but like you said, table dynamics affect what i will/won't open.

TY sir. I think I'm OK but I'm very self-critical and always think I have room for improvement.

I hate folding because I think I get run over by some folks when they're really just valuetowning me. Lately, I've been c/f more flops that hit my opponents ranges and earning Ledererbucks. Sometimes, though...I can't help but feel that people are 3-betting me pretty light..

Hmmm... Maybe wright a Pooh-Bah post on fighting back with the weak hands OOP? Pooh-bah post! Pooh-bah post! Pooh-bah post!

I can barely tie my shoes sir.

Could anyone make specific comments on using stats to profile opponents and make adjustments. Would that sort of discussion be better here or as it's own thread?

Recent example, on one of my tables yesterday, when I was in the CO, the BB had a 2 point VPIP-PFR spread over 350 hands, and the BTN was tight(16/14 w/7% preflop 3!), over 500 hands. I think the SB was averagish.

How many hand do you steal with from the CO in this situation? I recognised the situation just as I was folding a J5s, and I thought that it must be a bad fold.

J5s is far from a bad fold no matter who the button is, but I think you have the right idea and wouldn't think you were crazy for raising here. Just know that you still have to contend with the blinds.

I was actually taking the BB into account before the tight BTN. As I noted, the BB had a VPIP/PFR spread of 2% (rather than the 8% or so typically seen in good players). And off the top of my head, I actually thought this would be more significant than a tight BTN. If all of the 6% gain came from altered blind play, and I don't know where else it would come from, then this player is giving up a lot of BBs without a fight.

Edit: say I was on the BTN myself facing an average sb and a BB this tight, what % do I open with then?

Edit 2: It just hit me, I think I looked at the Fold BB to steal several hands later (I"m new to trying to make use of minor stats), and if I remember right, it was something like 67%. Does anyone have any standards for adjusting to high Fold BB to steal #'s?

Am I the only one playing 33-22 from UTG a high percentage of the time?
Can you really play JTo profitable from UTG?I have a hard time playing it profitably from MP

33 and 22 seem a lot harder to play than JTo imo, not that I am always folding them.

Again sample size, but here is JTo by position for me filtered for 5 and 6 handed. You can see that I only play it half the time UTG.

I am getting there with the tilt control, something snapped a couple of sessions ago and now i just get a bit annoyed.

Reading the stoxtrader thread was a "nice" side activity.

Lets hope i can run 5.5/100 all the way to the noosebleeds

I wonder were you OOP when you checked, this may be the answer as its not always passive ie. going for checkraise but in position always is. Hmm this is interesting.

Crap, cant remember my position.
I'll see if i can reconstruct it on a play money table.

edit: meh PT3 doesnt work with play money.

turn cbet percentage by position for last 27k hands:
Button 83
CO 86
MP 90
UTG 91
BB 92
SB 91
Total: 89

looking at SoSo's cbet % and doing a hand swap with that_pope I'm 2 barreling too much. What do you guys think? I may have just found my leak.

Turn cbet is something I think most of us do way too much of. It is a tricky spot, maybe the most tricky spot in FL. This is something I am looking into myself and may take coaching on this in particular. The tricky part for me is a lot of times I will have something like ace high or king high and bet partly to protect my hand, partly so I don't have to face a river bet that I feel that I may have induced if I had checked and don't know whether to call or not. The other thing I worry about is becoming too passive.

That is exactly how I feel on the situation. I've watched some videos on it and to really try to break down when and when not to 2barrel is a really complex subject. And I did fall into the same belief that I worry about becoming too passive and having to weed out river bluffs once I check through (which made me lazy and just fire almost all the time) but it looks to me that I'm cbetting almost 10% more than other guys in multiple position which has to be wrong.

Sample size is always an issue.Being up after 242 hands is enough reason to continue playing a hand.

Sometimes I wonder if it is as easy to play almost the same hands from UTG and HJ if you have table selected properly.
It seems to me that I get a lot of respect when I raise UTG being a 29/20. Somehow people tend to give me a 15-17% range when I'm in fact having a 21-22% range.

89% is shockingly high.
I think I have never seen anyone of the big winners above 82%.And most of them are within the interval 73-78%.

See I didn't know what to think about sample sizes on certain hands, but I guess after a few hundred hands of the same hand, in the same position that this is something that converges faster than random hands? Anyone know how to judge how many hands you need before you can tell a hand is profitable for you?

About the turn CBET, mine is sitting at 83%, and I win at a 2.7BB/100 clip. I agree that it must be in spite of it and not because of it. And yes 89% is out of control. This month after making a conscious effort I have this stat at 73%.

My HEM says that standard deviation is significantly higher with a specific hand I always play in a specific position than with all hands. In some cases win rates will be sky high, so we can see relatively quickly that e.g. playing AKo in MP is profitable, but that shouldn't really apply to marginal hands at the bottom of your range.

i don't know what this means, and i know he is seen as a spew monkey at 5/10 and above... but at 1/2, slimfast is the best, most consistent performer this year... outperforming DTSC and shagsi... and the only thing that really separates him from them (other than that he plays a bit tighter than both) is that his turn cbet and river cbet numbers are through the roof.

That's probably because at 1/2 on Stars the players aren't raising him on the turn a bucketload like they should and are just playing fit/fold on the turn the majority of the time whereas at 5/T I imagine he'll get both barrells on the turn having a Turn CB in the high 80's if it is.

Although if he has a tighter range his Turn C-Bet will naturally be a bit higher becasue his range is naturally a little stronger.

that makes sense... so basically, the 1/2 players are weak enough that he's just running them over?

in 73k hands he is 27/19 with cbet flop: 98%, cbet turn: 92%, cbet river:
81%... all of which are by far the highest of any winning player at the level.. not close.

and he's one of the best winners at the level.... THE best when you factor in WR vs. hands/hour....

but i guess that strategy is too raw for more sophistocated opp. at 5/10??

Yup Pretty Much.

I'm not speaking from recent experience to be honest, last time I played 1/2 on Stars was 6 months ago, but at that point I did a little study on Turn raising and in over 90% of cases if you were raised on the turn by a non-maniac you were pretty much dead with TPNK. (I think it was over 95% vs Check Raises) so again if you know that and you don't think your opponents are adapting you can barrell a ton and get away with it.

Wowzers, that is totally out of control on the turn, either he's running like Jacked up Awesome or he BADLY needs to get raised on the turn more.

I'm surprised he's not completely hemorrhaging at 5/T with that Turn C-Bet %. This is the exact kind of guy that anyone with a balanced Turn raising range will love.