it seems to me like the number of periods (big N, redundant just for clarity) would be related though. more samples/groups of size n = a smoother curve... so it seems like the number of hands indirectly effects the distribution (unless i'm missing something here).

hmm, it seems the only difference between ur chart and mine is my agg % is a little lower.

now that i know how low (imo pretty low) my pfr is im gonna really work on getting it up a little. fwiw most of these hands were 5 and 6 tabling. id assume my pfr would be a little higher if i were 4 tabling

tbh ive really fallen behind in working on my game. this year i really havent been doing any work away from the table. been really lazy on that front.

I posted a few weeks ago and was told I was too tight. This helped a lot as I have opened up my range significantly and am doing much better now. Thanks a lot to those who helped me before. From these statistics, what areas does it look like I still need to improve upon? This is just based off of my last 10000 hands so I am sure some of them haven't had long enough to converge...however, including prior hands may skew the data to reflect the way I was playing before the adjustments I made after the last time I posted in this thread. I'm running ridiculously well over this last 10000 hands, it seems, which has done a lot to boost my confidence. I play 25c/50c 6max rush tables on full tilt poker.

This is FTP, not Stars, yes? (Makes a significant difference with the structure and all.) There's nothing wrong with your pfr. It's possible that you're passing up profitable spots, but 31/22 is a totally reasonable style. I agree with LaPeste that your AGG is on the low side. Combined with your 42 WTSD, I would infer that you're taking a lot of hands to showdown with passive lines. That's not necessarily a bad thing, but the spots you should probably look at are ones where you:

• Make a thin call
• Decline to barrel the river
• Decline a thin value bet

Particularly in position.

they're all on ftp.

when u say u mean the spots that are making my Agg% low? if so i have a feeling its declining to barrel the river.

also how are my blind vpip and 3bet?

another question

im wondering about the relation between WTSD and W$SD. obviously a lower WTSD should coincide with a higher W$SD. is this logic right?

if so what would the standard W$SD be for a 42% WTSD? or is it not as simple as that?

What you're saying is that if you have more samples from a distribution you will get a smoother graph. This is true on average. However that does not mean this distribution you have a graph of is a normal distribution. You could graph the results of each individual hand. You would have many samples but not a normal distribution.

You need to understand the underlying theory. In order to obtain a normal distribution you need to follow these steps:

1. Take a sample of size n (each member of this sample being from an identical population with finite variance)
2. Add all the members of the sample together

This is what the central limit theorem tells us. What n is is determined through trail and error with the goal of finding n such that the sum or mean of the sample is normally distributed. In order to correctly determine n for your situation, you must take your population and draw random samples from it. Then test if the resulting means are normally distributed. So you would do this for n=3 then n=4 ect until you were satisfied that the means were approximately normal.

It looks way better. Congrats.
Fold BB steal HU is when you fold against a SB steal? If yes, you should fold way less hands.
Your stats look pretty solid now, maybe you could defend more -but I dunno what are the steal ranges at 25c/50c-

Your turn fold to bet seems a bit high, but it could be due to your game conditions (more pots multiway, etc)

Crazy, your BB VPIP is absurdly low. You really need to defend more and complete more often in multi-way pots. That 34 should be 45+ against the bad players at those stakes. It may be sample size, but your UTG and HJ VPIP are about the same. They should be significantly different. Your fold SB to steal should be more like 75 or looser, you could 3bet a little more, and you can steal a little more too... especially from BTN and SB.

I think that by steal, they mean a button open. So the heads up part, I guess, is when the SB fold out?


Hmm alright. I will try and find more spots to defend the BB and SB. One thing I've been trying to incorporate lately is coldcalling a few button raises from the SB from aggressive opponents with drawing types of hands based off a thread I was referred to in the sticky.

I'll try and get this stuff figured out in the next 10K hands or so and post back here with the result heh.

steal is CO, BTN or SB open

I thought this BB fold to steal HU was referred to steal from the SB but it could be also any steal and everyone else folded ... I have no idea

if i'm missunderstanding something here its not at all clear to me where thats the case. i mean, the CLT was interesting to me when we learned it & so i spent LOTS of time thinking about it...

i know that your saying if n isn't large enough the distribution may never approach normal regardless of the number of samples taken, but if n is to large you may never have enough samples in order to evaluate whether it is normal.

is the assumption then that with a large enough n you know it will be normal and then your just left to evaluate whether or not the number of periods can yield significant results? that seems like it'll work.

ah i'm beginning to think i've just wasted a ton of your time. frustrating moments aside, discussing stats theory isn't something i get to do often so i appreciate it.

I'm not sure if 45% is getting a bit loose. Its close imo.

I play .25/.50 and defend 47% and i'm losing -13BB/100 hands from the BB.... which i'm not sure how that compares but it seems not bad. I've only played 14k hands at these stakes though.

late position Open Raise stats against average players (and including myself which biases the sample towards much mor eraising) is just 20%. Isoraising is just 12% on average.

This seems like an recipe for disaster. If there was a raiser and a coldcaller in between you I can see playing this way. If an aggressive button raises, though, he is going to be very wide (some guys button steal around 55 to 60% of their range). Try 3 betting these guys and make them be the ones that have to play fit or fold, because if you are coldcalling and c/f when you miss you would be better off just folding in the first place.

i think its +EV if you have a BB thats a loose/passive fish... but it probably only works when you're using poor seat selection since you normally want to have the fishez on your left. postflop some speculative hands play really well if you have a btn who reliably raises your flop donk & a fish who reliably calls flop bets.

I'm playing at rush tables so every hand the seating arrangement is different. I am doing this primarily when the button is loose aggressive, the BB is loose passive and I have a drawing hand based off the advice in this thread.

yeah in a rush game i think this could be great. tbh i'm not the best source for this though. i've never played rush & i've never played on FT.

I think you're looking at this too much in terms of poker. If you have 10K hands and you want to see if a sample of 30 or 100 is large enough, you can simply select random samples with replacement. You don't need to select the first 30 and then the next 30 and so on. Additionally, I think you might be overestimating the number of samples you need to determine if a sample is consistent with a normal distribution. 100 samples should be way enough to give you a good idea with a QQ plot.

That is the easy/traditional way.

yeah alright. thx for putting up with my slow side. i still think you cut me short & that hurt a bit, but maybe it was justified.... but yes i was thinking about cutting down on n while keeping with good stats practice.

Sorry, I don't have time to read the entire thread. What I wanted to know is if there is a chart in here for suggested starting hands to open with in EP MP button and SB. Thanks

I suggest you read the thread, particularly the last years worth or so. If you don't have time you probably lack the devotion necessary to beat the game and I am not going to hand it to you on a plate. Sorry.

EP hands to play PF
22+, ATs, A9o, KTs, KTo, QTs, Q9o

MP hands to play PF
99+, ATs, A8o, KTs, K9o, QTs, Q8o, J9s, JTo

SB hands to play PF
All hands!!!

Start with this as a quick reference guide and go from there. None of us have had to spend much time researching this and finding out what works best in each type of game and neither should you. Good luck at the tables.

wtf! is this a level? must be cuz this is terrible advice.

its the same chart ive been using to crush .50/1 for over 1.2 BB/100 the last few months!