you suck under the gun

on the other hand you BU VPIP is rather low and yet your winrate is pretty high, imo.
I would have e3xpected that the BU vpip is much higher thanks to stealing blinds in 1/3 and 2/5 field

Which of these stat fails are most important?


1. Slightly too tight vpip.

2. Not aggressive enough post flop.

3. Could 3-bet slightly more pre-flop.

4. Not cbetting turn enough

5. River call win% way too high

6. Losing way too much from the big blind

7. vpip per position seems screwy (how do you have a lower vpip from middle than UTG?).

8. Definitely not winning enough per position.

Anything else of importance that I'm missing? Thanks.

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38/53 should be good enough to show a profit unless you are doing something weird like spazzing out in big pots or over-playing your overpairs. I think you nailed all the things you need to work on.

Review your opening hand ranges for UTG and MP. That is really weird. Most people have a 3-4% difference between the two. That is an easy report to pull up in the software and see what hands you are opening with by position.

200,000 hands is a big enough sample size. You have found a few minor changes you need to make.

Thanks Verno. I don't want to feel like I'm being sneaky. I guess I forgot to mention that these are not my stats, but a friend of mine's. He is getting pummeled and I couldn't discern THAT much wrong with his stats, which is why I posted them (he doesn't read 2p2 and wouldn't know how to put up a graph if he did -lol).

-.5/100 thru 200k hands is clearly not winning, yet his stats don't seem that far off. I wanted to see if others would agree that the RCW% is the biggest factor. Mine is like 26% and his is well +30%. He needs to call and lose more. If he were being bluffed even a fraction of the time it could mean the difference of -.5/100 and even or even +xx/100.

While my wtsd is slightly higher than 37, I'm not as concerned about that, since I think this more of a stylistic stat. But calling rivers is not a matter of style. It's a matter of simple math. Thanks for responding. I really appreciate the input.

My stats looks like ****, i know the size of the sample isnt big enought coz i got pokertracker a month ago and many of my hands i couldnt recover. I've made a deposit of 5 dollars and get it to 400$ so i think im doing good. But seens im doing alot things wrong (playing too many hands, cold calling, not PF raising so much, maybe passive). This results are at 0.25/0.50 (6max) at everest. I think i tried a different aproach like raise re-raise or fold, dont cold call but seens it wasnt working for me. Is it possible that such a low stake need a different aproach?

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/9817/statsffw.jpg

My stats looks like ****, i know the size of the sample isnt big enought coz i got pokertracker a month ago and many of my hands i couldnt recover. I've made a deposit of 5 dollars and get it to 400$ so i think im doing good. But seens im doing alot things wrong (playing too many hands, cold calling, not PF raising so much, maybe passive). This results are at 0.25/0.50 (6max) at everest. I think i tried a different aproach like raise re-raise or fold, dont cold call but seens it wasnt working for me. Is it possible that such a low stake need a different aproach?

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/9817/statsffw.jpg

You have the preflop stats of a fish, grats. 42/11 is terrible. Sorry but if you want to improve it's best to face it and move on.

If you are serious about improving check out the stickied FAQ in this forum. Leader posted a preflop starters chart there that imo you should use for now till you get a better handle on preflop play.

You should be open-raising, not open-limping! Preflop is just effed man, so look at the chart!

Also read through this entire thread, it'll give you a good idea about "winning" stats.. .

With stats like that though you need to go back and learn the basics before tinkering on anything else. Just cuz you won monies doesn't mean you're good. 8k hands is a drop in the bucket.

Look at the chart, use it, then come back!

EDIT: Rereading your post in seems you don't gave a grasp of the basics. The FAQ is a good starting point for preflop and some postflop.

Filter is A2-A9 (suited and unsuited), 2-6 handed for 2010. Say what you want about small sample, I think this is alarming. If I filter back for beginning of 2009, I'm still losing about 6 BB/100 with these hands. Thoughts on WTSD/W$SD?

Can anyone tell me what a reasonable bb/100 out of the big blind is?

-30 to -40 in bb/100, but please use BB (-15 to -20).

Damn RM, you are terrible from the blinds.

SB= -3.4BB/100
BB= -14.6BB/100

LOL like -3.4 is typical. Also, he only asked for BB. Thinly veiled brag here posting both.

Lestat, under -10 BB/100 is usually considered standard from the SB. Some people here, as you might notice, do much better than that. I dunno if you'll be able to get them to tell you how much better, though.

this is really wierd , i filtered for the same and i have 10k hands for this year and am winning 7BB/100 with these hands.

La peste is bragging again i am -19BB from the BB

Can you give me the showdown stats, or anything else that might be at odds with what I have posted (VPIP/PFR/Agg%)?

filtered 2-6 handed
vpip 75
pfr 62
wtsd 48
Wasd 50

Hmm, weird. Gonna have to think about this. Thanks.

A9s-; A9o-; filtered 2-6 handed;

all hands (dating back to about oct 2009):

24,418 hands
+2.35 BB/100

vpip: 52.4
pfr: 37.3
wtsd: 37.9
w$sd: 55.5


this year (2010) only:

13,068 hands
- 1.72 BB/100

vpip: 51.3
pfr: 36.0
wtsd: 37.0
w$sd: 55.1
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im not sure how valuable this is though. first of all, weak offsuit aces seem like such vastly different creatures to me than weak suited aces, that i wonder if there is a disservice to our analysis to lump them. i have the same concerns about the lack of discretion between situations. that is, im guessing you won't get the answers you are looking for without a more rigorous filtering system to isolate a specific scenarios. for example how the hands play opening them by position, how they play in LP after 2 limpers, how they play when you 3 bet them from the blinds, how they play when you defend the BB vs. an EP open, etc....

the catch 22 is that the blanket, "how do i do any time im dealt these hands in any situation", filter is too vague to be useful... but the more specific/useful the filtering, the faster you will run into seriously debilitating sample size issues.

How can you have such high VPIP with those hands. Is that normal?

This guy is a HU player, thats why it differs that much

LaPeste had very similar stats to cubfan. I mean look, it could just be variance, but I was going through my db looking at hand grouping stuff and thought, "Wow, can I really be getting slaughtered that hard with all of those hands?" It's true I don't show down a ton, but when I filtered to see how often I was winning on the river with an A high call, it was somewhere between 14 and 18% depending on how I filter.

Another anomaly in my database: I'm 0/52 at showdown with these hands at 2/4 and 5/10 when my final hand value is A high and I call a river bet. So for now I'm just gonna treat it as "interesting" data since I am winning, but I'll be thinking about these hands and try to post HH for ones that may be problem spots.

Maybe filter out 3b, raised and limped pots. To see how often in which situation you go to SD with A high and start adjusting that maybe a little bit

down below is a hand that makes me scratch my head... like... wtf is this?
hows this guy even turn on a computer. I just dont get it guys, i hate losing like this...
any1 wanna attempt his logic here? he is check/calling with no pair no draw, when i have showed him nothing but good hands,king high isnt good here lol. then when he hits a 6 he leads out looool as if its the nuts all of a sudden, sad thing is if i raise river he'd still call me, god i hate clueless clowns like this dude

Poker Stars $5/$10 Limit Hold'em - 2 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Pre Flop: (1.4 SB) Hero is BTN/SB with 5 4
Hero raises, BB calls

Flop: (4 SB) 5 J 8 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls

Turn: (3 BB) J (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls

River: (5 BB) 6 (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls

Final Pot: 7 BB
BB shows K 6 (two pair, Jacks and Sixes)
Hero mucks 5 4
BB wins 6.9 BB
(Rake: $1.00)

Interesting stats thread post.

+1 to La Pestes post. Besides that If you think donking river is bad then posting in the wrong thread is the least of your problems.

It's only alarming if you filtered out your blind play first.