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03-16-2010 , 05:58 AM
did you play a session of fullring that only got to 7-handed and forgot to turn filter for just your 6max games? Could be a reason you randomnly have a 7th position with only 30some hands.
03-16-2010 , 06:53 PM


Anything obvious that I should look into from these stats? These are the hands I have since realizing that I had to play much looser in the blinds. Any feedback appreciated.

Also:
Steal 52.3%
Fold SB to steal 82.2%
Fold BB to steal 48.7%
Fold to flop cbet 29%
Fold to turn cbet 37%
03-16-2010 , 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by listen_folks
Just moved back to limit after a long break. I've been getting killed. The button stats are off for some reason. This is 5-6 handed. I'm sure I have a ton of leaks.

I would post/review hands you play in the blinds for postflop mistakes.
03-16-2010 , 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Hookt


Anything obvious that I should look into from these stats? These are the hands I have since realizing that I had to play much looser in the blinds. Any feedback appreciated.

Also:
Steal 52.3%
Fold SB to steal 82.2%
Fold BB to steal 48.7% this is too high
Fold to flop cbet 29%
Fold to turn cbet 37%
WtSD is pretty low, but it's low stakes. Also what's with that BB CC%? I assume it's some kind of programming error.
03-16-2010 , 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Leader
WtSD is pretty low, but it's low stakes. Also what's with that BB CC%? I assume it's some kind of programming error.
Perhaps the times I defend with a call? I don't know really. I don't do anything super weird in the BB.

I think it's the cutoff steals that I fold my BB a bit too much against, I'll have to look into that.
03-19-2010 , 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by dark_horse
I went over the optimal stats for short handed play in Barry Tanenbaum's Book. They are:

Any comments appreciated.
At the end of the day, win-rates and $$ is the ultimate metric.

The ranges are guide-lines and yours seem fine, but getting in that "range" matters little if you aren't making money.

The first step, is get close to that range.

The next step, is to figure out what you are adjusting to get to that range.

The next step after that, is to adjust your range and style, to the appropriate people.

With a lot of work (and a little luck) you can do well.

Lastly, the ranges are rough guide-lines, kind of like a pre-flop chart.

I personally feel there's a lot of "rock-paper-scissors" going on out there, so it just depends on when you change gears and to whom.


Lawrence
03-19-2010 , 11:32 PM
Hey, thanks for the response after all this time, Lawrence! I've since moved to NL (or trying to, at least), but it's still nice to see you out there. Your book really helped me over the years.
03-20-2010 , 05:25 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by asymptote
At the end of the day, win-rates and $$ is the ultimate metric.

The ranges are guide-lines and yours seem fine, but getting in that "range" matters little if you aren't making money.

The first step, is get close to that range.

The next step, is to figure out what you are adjusting to get to that range.

The next step after that, is to adjust your range and style, to the appropriate people.

With a lot of work (and a little luck) you can do well.

Lastly, the ranges are rough guide-lines, kind of like a pre-flop chart.

I personally feel there's a lot of "rock-paper-scissors" going on out there, so it just depends on when you change gears and to whom.


Lawrence
Hi, are you lawrence mak?
03-20-2010 , 12:41 PM


Can someone look at my blind defense and give me any opinions? Is my VPIP too high?

My WTSD % is only 31.6 from the BB, and W$SD% 52.9. Does that indicate I'm not showing down enough from there?

I never 3b headsup from the BB, is that skewing my agg?
03-20-2010 , 06:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Monito Loco


Can someone look at my blind defense and give me any opinions? Is my VPIP too high?

My WTSD % is only 31.6 from the BB, and W$SD% 52.9. Does that indicate I'm not showing down enough from there?

I never 3b headsup from the BB, is that skewing my agg?
You're losing too much from the bb, that's for sure. It looks like you're losing too much from the small too. Your overall vpip for the bb doesn't seem to be that unreasonable. Maybe a little higher if anything.

Never 3-betting a button steal or legitimate raise from the bb is okay (althought might not be optimum). You can usually make up any lost pre-flop value with a c/r on the flop. However, if you're never 3-betting a sb open, you're losing too much. You won't always be able to make up for lost equity pre-flop. So you should be punishing sb opens in position pre-flop.

Take a look at how you're doing vs. steals, since this is where bb play is most important. Remember, even if a hand is not +EV from the bb it doesn't mean it shouldn't be played. All you have to do is lose less (on average) than the cost of the bb itself.
03-20-2010 , 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Lestat
Never 3-betting a button steal or legitimate raise from the bb is okay (althought might not be optimum). You can usually make up any lost pre-flop value with a c/r on the flop. However, if you're never 3-betting a sb open, you're losing too much. You won't always be able to make up for lost equity pre-flop. So you should be punishing sb opens in position pre-flop.
Thanks. To clarify I do 3b from the BB vs. the SB, just not HU OOP.
03-20-2010 , 06:21 PM



Someone I am hand swapping with telling me I overdefending my BB now. My reaction was mostly due to advice here, but I might've overdone it. I took my fold BB to steal from 50% down to 29% now. What's a good place to have it at for a 0.5/1er.

Other stats' comments are also appreciated.

Thanks.
03-20-2010 , 06:23 PM
MG, your partner may have a point. Someone like Unguarded might get away with defending that much, but I wouldn't do it. I think a fold BB to steal in the 35 to 40 range would be good for your situation.
03-20-2010 , 10:36 PM
Mine is 27. Remember pt3 and hem measure this differently
03-21-2010 , 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Leader
Mine is 27. Remember pt3 and hem measure this differently
Could that be a function of the stakes you play. The higher the stakes the higher the aggression and the greater the need to defend ?

I have noticed a lot of players with stats around 50 to 60/10 in 1-2 lately. ( When you avoid the regs )
03-21-2010 , 06:06 PM
Want to follow protocol, here. What's the procedure to let people tear apart my stats here? Just post in this thread? (I play most 25NL SS and Cap.)

Gracias.
03-21-2010 , 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by doomswitch3000
Want to follow protocol, here. What's the procedure to let people tear apart my stats here? Just post in this thread? (I play most 25NL SS and Cap.)

Gracias.
This is the Fixed Limit forum
03-21-2010 , 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by La Peste
This is the Fixed Limit forum
My bad. Just noticed after I posted. Thanks.
03-22-2010 , 02:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Monito Loco


Can someone look at my blind defense and give me any opinions? Is my VPIP too high?

My WTSD % is only 31.6 from the BB, and W$SD% 52.9. Does that indicate I'm not showing down enough from there?

I never 3b headsup from the BB, is that skewing my agg?
It is a too small sample for analysis.
If the sample you have would be your "true" winrate then you have good BB results and bad SB results assuming you're playing a 1/2 structure.
I think most players have a very low WTSD% from BB compared to the overall one. I assume that is because you play more hands with worse holdings and doing it OOP.
03-22-2010 , 06:26 PM
This is from 2010. Anyone see anything glaringly out of line? I seem to be running pretty badly from the BTN and BB, but I may also be leaking from the BB (too passive postflop? too much defending in multiway pots? not enough?)

My winrate over the 140k hands I played last year was -38.19 bb/100 (bb not BB) and from the BTN was 29.1bb/100. I was winning 4.12bb/100 over that stretch (so just over 2BB/100).



Any thoughts would be appreciated.
03-22-2010 , 07:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nchabazam
This is from 2010. Anyone see anything glaringly out of line? I seem to be running pretty badly from the BTN and BB, but I may also be leaking from the BB (too passive postflop? too much defending in multiway pots? not enough?)

My winrate over the 140k hands I played last year was -38.19 bb/100 (bb not BB) and from the BTN was 29.1bb/100. I was winning 4.12bb/100 over that stretch (so just over 2BB/100).



Any thoughts would be appreciated.
Is this 5-6 handed? seems very similar to mine. Looks like your just running bad from BB. This is 30kish sample right , probably not that uncommon. If you think you have leaks from the blinds youll be hard pressed to find them by looking at stats.
03-25-2010 , 01:42 AM
So i've been using the WITHG preflop guidlines and still am finding it hard to get laggier. I'm guessing I need to add more hands in but I honestly am unsure which ones. I also know I should defend more but again what hands and what adjustments do you make against UTG and MP raisers as opposed to a CO, BTN, SB steal?

I know pre-flop charts are "training wheels" and ed miller says throw them off... but I need a little help doing that.

03-25-2010 , 03:46 AM
being TAG and 1/2 and lower stakes is just fine. The rake is high and the field is loose. There is no need to be LAG for the pleasure.
I would recommend to focus on post-flop play. Once you'll be a beast post-flop, you'll play naturally more hands PF, because you'll have a post-flop plan with them.

To my point of view, your stats look strong.
03-25-2010 , 04:55 AM
i'm not saying I want to be a LAG, i'm saying that I know that there is looser pre-flop standards that are more optimal that I'm having trouble getting too.
03-25-2010 , 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by reaper6788
So i've been using the WITHG preflop guidlines and still am finding it hard to get laggier. I'm guessing I need to add more hands in but I honestly am unsure which ones. I also know I should defend more but again what hands and what adjustments do you make against UTG and MP raisers as opposed to a CO, BTN, SB steal?

I know pre-flop charts are "training wheels" and ed miller says throw them off... but I need a little help doing that.

I'm not going to give you a hand chart (well I guess I sort of will), but you seem to be solid so I definitely think you can loosen up. Consider some of these hands first in MP and if that works start adding them in UTG depending on table considerations. AXs, A9o+, KTo+, QTo+, JTo, 76s+. The bottom of the range here is very marginal, but if your opponents aren't world beaters and aren't 3 betting you a ton you can get away with it (and profit). In the CO and especially OTB you can really start getting frisky and start pressuring the blinds, so play a tone more hands. I would also defend the BB a little bit more.

Basically it looks like you are too good to play so tight (meaning you are leaving value on the table). Just remember to add in some of these hands gradually, first in MP then UTG for instance (and then get even looser in MP), and just because I listed some of them, doesn't mean I'd play them on every table.

      
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