Stop folding when SB opens. Along with being redic tight you're also too passive pf. You need more openning and 3-betting. You're probably too passive post as well which is somewhat obscured in your stats because your hands are so much stronger post flop on average then they should be.

AF 2.6 is too passive?

FAQ said reasonable range is below 2.5.

Mine is about same and I thought I was being too agro.

Can you comment on my stat too?

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/22...9/index96.html

AF is a tricky stat. OP is playing a fit-fold game. Since he calls less, AF goes up.

Suggestions to OP: You have some pre-flop leaks. You can play looser.

But this is not a big issue. Your real problem is at postflop. Stop playing fit-fold. More peel, more call, more SD. Post your hands to see where you have leaks.

AF sucks as a stat. Best to pretend it doesn't exist.

my 5/10 stats for the last 3 months. any advice?

Your overall stats are very similar to mine at those stakes. Do you play more HU/3-4 handed? Your steal % seems a little low to be playing quite so laggy, but whatever. Can't tell much without looking at more detailed positional stats.

Your stats look good. The only thing that I see that you could maybe do is fold BB less to steal (although mine is really close to that too). What is your sn? We have probably played a lot of hands together. (I'm CalvinJohnsn)

Help! Losing for 100's of thousands of hands (mostly 5/10-10/20, but I'm stepping down now).

Just read back some replies from the last 2 pages your stats are very similar to the last few posts and to be totally honest, 23/17 is bad....WAY TO TIGHT. It could be doable at .50/1 or 1/2 but at 5/T and 10/20 you will get run over but the looser more aggro opponents. Move down and work on opening up your range a lot more.

23/17 is not going to get it done for most people at 1/2

Really appreciate the advice... starting to read through the rest of the thread now.

I've played with these stats at 5/10 and 10/20 over the past couple years and been a prop/rakeback pro for the most part... my preflop strategy is pretty similar to Stox book, guess that's quite outdated. I'm still turning a profit playing 2-3 handed which is a bit weird (since I obviously play enough when it's shorthanded, but guess I'm overcompensating at full tables).

Just wondering where I should open my game up and add in some more hands (or defend more)?

First use the BB stat not bb (Big Bets not big blinds). Second that sample size is way to small to really take a look at your play, but if there are close to what you normaly play you're way too tight in all positions. Are you a stoxpoker member? If you are watch GiantBuddha's "Decision Junky" series, excellent video series for the fundamentals of LHE (including Always Open hands and Sometimes Open from each position).

Start doing this, say if you only open AJo and 77 UTG, start with opening ATo and 66, then when you're comforatable with that start with A9o and 55 (which is around what the majority of people open). You didn't list your Fold BB (and SB) to steal stats and your CO and Button steal stat %. Your 3b% stat is out of whack, it should go up as you move along positions BUT this is only over a small sample, so hard to judge.

Spec,

I don't want this to be too depressing, but honestly, having 23/17 stats is representative of huge flaws in your game. I've never seen a player with those kind of stats that didn't have a ton of postflop problems as well. A video site membership, a lot of studying, and keeping an open mind are going to be necessary for you to be able to compete at mid-stakes. Take it slow. Adding 10% more hands puts you in a lot of new and difficult spots. My advice would be to not jump back up until you're comfortable with your new style.

Here's my 5/10 and 10/20 stats (filtered for 6-max) over the past 2 months.

I realize that it looks like I'm such a nit... but I'm not sure where to make up for it...

These are my standard openings now for early positions:

UTG: A9o, A7s, KJo, KTs, QJo, QTs, 98s+, 77+
UTG+1: A7o, A5s, KTo, K9s, 87s, 66+

Maybe BB defense? I'm calling almost any two vs SB open unless they have a super tight PFR range.

Spec,

Pretty much what Leader said. Your best bet would be to get a membership to Deucescracked and/or Stox (preferably both). Watch GB's and Johnnyrockets at Stox and at DC watch DeathDonkeys and Oinks vids.

Move down to 1/2 and start opening up your game somewhat until you're comforatable.

Here is my first 20k hands at Stars stats from Nov/Dec. Not saying these are correct or even how you should play but just for contrast (I was winning at 3.5BB/100 in these stats over all levels BUT again my sample here is small, but this is my style and it works for me...this month I getting murdered at 2/4 but winning at a nice pace at 3/6 and to small a sample to know at 5/T FWIW):

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t...LimitStats.jpg

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t...itionStats.jpg


Edit:

Here's what I always open for contrast.
UTG: 55+ (44 sometimes), A5s+ (A4s sometimes), A9o+, K9s+, JTs+, 98s+, QJo+ (QTo if I'm running well).

Really appreciating all of the advice! I've gone from making a decent living (full-time SH limit grinder since '06) to a nit slowly bleeding away his BR. I totally understand what you're saying about my post-flop skills, but I think they're actually above average... like I must be doing something right if I'm just around break-even playing 23/17 over a decent 5/10+ sample... and my win-rate seems to improve as the games get more short-handed and I'm in tighter post-flop situations.

I'm putting a lot of time into HEM and trying to figure out the steps to go from a 23/17/9 player to 29/22/14 or so. I know I need to 'open up' my game, but I'm trying to figure out where exactly. I've got a bit of a game plan for tomorrow:

1. Knock my preflop requirements down a pip at a time (like A9o to A8o UTG as recommended).
2. Start 3-betting much lighter! Like in the, SB I should be 3b 18% of my hands as opposed to just 9%.

For now I feel like I'm playing my BB decently enough as far as 3-betting and defending against steals, but maybe I'll look into opening that up later.

Sound good?

Just downloaded GB's series that was recommended... kinda ironic that I've been playing a bit with him and emailed him about coaching advice last week. I'm supposed to have some sessions set up by the end of the month with another 2p2 poster. I've never had any friends that played limit, so it's definitely helpful getting some actual perspective from fellow players.

It's not one thing a lot. It's a lot of things a little.

I changed the above to be relatively representative of what I open, but you should always come to your own conclusions.

Basically, every number there represents some level of too tight and too passive imo.

This kind of thing can get you in a lot of trouble. A4s and A2s are basically the same hand. KJo and K9o are vastly different hands. It's always best to use empirical data when possible. Barring that, use logic. Ask yourself things like if I had to open say 20% UTG what 20% would I open?

Leader this is quite a bit different from your hand chart. Do you have plans on changing it?

UTG: 22, Axs, A9o, KJo, K9s, Q9s, JTs, T9s
UTG+1: 22, Axs, A7o, K7s, KTo, Q9s, QJo, J9s, T8s, 98s

Are you turning a profit with 22/33 UTG leader? That just seems so loose to me.

Just curious if any others multi-table low limit players have had this experience.

I just started playing for rakeback at low limits between a couple different sites. So far, through 22k hands I'm LOSING -.9bb/100.

Until now, I've only played 2 or 3 tables of higher limit and don't think I've ever been stuck 200 big bets thru a 22k hand sample size. Obviously, I'm not playing an A+ game across all 10 tables, but I'd like to think I'm at least breaking even. I don't know how to do the standard deviationi calculations. I'm just curious if someone here can tell me if it's hopeless, or if there's still a chance I could be beating (or at least breaking even) in these games. Anyone else (who's a significant winner) ever have a -200 big bet 22k hand stretch? Thanks. Here's a graph...

I've had a breakeven 80k hand stretch. I was a winning 1BB/100 player. So your situation is tip of the iceberg and beyond standard imo. If memory serves in the stats post there is some good discussion of variance and standard deviation, if i were you i'd read the whole thread if you haven't already.

be prepared for some pretty sickening revelations though.

good lord.

200 bb is super insignificant and that sample size is super insignificant.

hang in there but prepare for worse if you play a lot of lhe.

good luck.

Yeah, but it is 400BB if you count it from the high point. I would be worried. To answer the question, yes most people can be winning players provided they put in the work.

good point, i didn't even look at the graph

and agree, winning in these games is certainly doable. many folks run hot or cold for a while and it skews their perceptions of things. the long run is quite long.