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Other than Wil, Deuces, Proph, Johnny, NoQuarter and OMG Chez, Who are the Bad P/PU Posters? Other than Wil, Deuces, Proph, Johnny, NoQuarter and OMG Chez, Who are the Bad P/PU Posters?

10-31-2014 , 06:53 PM
Who is worse, politics posters who developed their posting style in SMP or politics posters who developed their posting style in BBV4L?
10-31-2014 , 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by AsianNit
The comedy is supposed to be in the reaction to the term, not the use of the term itself.

There are reasons why we ritualize attack comedy in the form of roasts, rap battles, and take a shot threads. I'd expect the humor in a bad poster thread comes from the content of the bad posts more often than not. Muther****er is far more a topical insult than horse****er, but I am arbitarily being a comedic nit.
10-31-2014 , 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by AsianNit
Who is worse, politics posters who developed their posting style in SMP or politics posters who developed their posting style in BBV4L?

Unchained for life Mutha****a!
10-31-2014 , 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by AsianNit
This kind of sounds like poker players who whine that I am not playing "real" poker because I sometimes play a more passive trapping style that doesn't let them build big pots that involve big bluffs and re-bluffs. I don't feel a need to participate in a LAGtard posting convention, but I appreciate the existence of people like you because you move the Overton window and make me seem more reasonable to some people.
In other words, perhaps unsurprisingly, you play losing poker.
10-31-2014 , 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by AsianNit
Who is worse, politics posters who developed their posting style in SMP or politics posters who developed their posting style in BBV4L?
The ones who continually ask stupid questions LDO
10-31-2014 , 07:51 PM
Thekid,

Was that enough on the discussion of who taught Hitler about anti-semitism, or do you have anything to add?
10-31-2014 , 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
It's not so much patience than it is understanding what is going on. I think people critical of you have to understand the arguments you make, even if they think they are bad, don't necessarily put you in a category, namely being an anti-semite.

You have to understand the position some people have an issue with you are coming from, though. I'm not Jewish, and in all honesty I have no reason to care about that group more than any other in particular. That probably makes me look at this more objectively.

Someone who is, however, may take offense to what you're saying and that's understandable. On the surface, at least.

Think a little downstream of where you're going with a position. It might save you a lot of explanatory posts in the future.
Yeah part of my problem is that I think about being offended completely differently than most other people seem to do.

Why would I be offended by something that is not true? If I feel offended it is my intuition telling me that the other person might have a point and it is my responsibility to deal with it. I am actually offended by some of the posts I made because they weren't good. So I try to deal with it. I am offended by people saying I am stupid and illogical, so I am dealing with that because they might have a point.


I try not to offend people because it is the nice thing to do because I know they think about it differently. And because offending somebody just distracts from the conversation. I am not offended by being called names by wookie et al. I know that they are not right. It just makes it impossible to talk to them (edit: and the still accusing me of being a holocaust denier thing makes me really sad and angry). But I know other people would be deeply offended.

But in the end it is not completely understandable to me to be offended by holocaust deniers or their arguments as a Jew. I can be scared or angry that such people exist (that is my reaction) but being offended by something they say? Seems to be too mild of a reaction on one hand and too much of one on the other.

I think it is something mostly non Jews do. They want to be offended on behalf of Jews. I am not sure why they do it, probably a bad conscience thing or they are just waiting for an opportunity to lecture you about how to not be anti-semitic because they want to show off or something. It is uncalled for and patronizing edit: or so it seems to me.

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10-31-2014 , 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by swissmiss
Nothing I said fits any definition of a truther or a holocaust denier or a horse****er I could find anywhere. You keep asking me to bring up points I see wrong in the 9/11 report. Why would I have to? Saying some parts are made up to a point and in the next sentence saying that doesn't mean the events didn't happen as described should not be a controversial position in a sane society. Edit: But ok, omissions is the better word I should have used, as I said before.
Saying that parts are "made up" necessarily implies fabrication, or at the very least, inference which you find of dubious merit. Your use of double negative in the following sentence leaves tons of room for a limited number of events to not have taken place as described by the commission, even if many did. "Omissions" is in no way synonymous with parts being "made up."

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Maybe it was unclear what I meant with "the events happened as described". I was referring to the event where al-Qaeda terrorists hijacked four airliners and intentionally crashed two planes into the World Trade Center buildings and one into the Pentagon, with another unintentionally crashing in a field near Shanksville, Pennsylvania and then buildings falling down. But that should have been at least somewhat clear when my next sentence was: Doesn't mean 9/11 was orchestrated by the government or some Jewish cabale. Or should I have said that I don't think xyz instead of doesn't mean?
Jiggs Casey believes that the towers fell as the commission reported, but he's also a 9/11 truther. There are a lot of different flavors of truther. Maybe you're not a "Jewish Cabal" truther, but you still sound a whole lot like a LIHOP truther.

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I wasn't making a point about my beliefs about 9/11 at that time. It was a point about what evidence to take into account. I don't take almost any evidence by truthers into account at all. I am only saying "almost" because I don't know whom else you consider to be a truther just on a tell. They still could be up to something (edit: and by that I don't mean anything involving planes or buildings), and even if they are not, the scorn they get I don't understand. Either they have something relevant to say or not. But I am maybe being to lenient here.
Probably.

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For what it is worth I have linked to the valid criticism on the English wiki that does not contest anything involving any planes or any buildings. The german wiki contains way more valid criticism, that does not contest anything involving any planes or any buildings, funny how that works
Yeah, and that was part of the confusion. I asked you what parts were made up, and you linked to an article that only criticized things that weren't there, not things that were there and that were made up.

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Should we go through it point by point?
It would certainly clear things up.

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The first is from Ernest May: http://www.newrepublic.com/article/p...writes-history. At least he is definitively not a truther right?
Points like "...the report skirts the question of whether American policies and actions fed the anger that manifested itself on September 11," are valid criticism of the report and not truther material, but such points are hardly consistent with parts of the report being "made up."

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I have some more points that are not from wikipedia and involve Scheuer or other at least controversial people I am not too keen to bring up with you because you get so over the top insulting.
OK
10-31-2014 , 08:56 PM
Ehh. If you as a Jewish person are not offended by it, that doesn't mean other Jewish people don't have the right to be. I can completely understand why Jewish people might be offended by denials (or questions surrounding the validity of data of the Holocaust). But like I said, I'm not Jewish, so it just doesn't bother me that much. I'll mention to a denier that I don't believe what he might be saying, but I'm not willing to get into a flat out heated argument over it because it doesn't involve me all that much.

There are certain topics that are just not worth even discussing even if you believe them to have some sort of merit is all I'm really saying. Just be very careful how you word things, especially something like that which can be met with such heated argument from the other side.

FWIW I don't think you're a holocaust denier. I'm not sure what you are, but I wouldn't say a denier.
10-31-2014 , 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by FoldnDark
Hey Swiss, when did you stop f***ing your horse?
When I cut off his dick and tongue and ate it.

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You're way too nice, actually, lol. In here, your deference is taken for weakness and ignorance, though I'd be surprised if many here knew more about the holocaust than you.
Hm. If I say I know very little about the holocaust will that be taken as weakness?:-) It might could be interpreted as an insult. But thank you.



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It's a good trait to learn from mistakes, just realize your biggest mistake was misjudging your audience, which should have sunk in by now.

I highly doubt many if any at all were actually offended by any of your recent posts, it's just that they can imagine someone could be, and that's all they need to justify their faux outrage and begin the mocking game.
Yeah there is a lot of this going on. I still don't really get why. Some of the critiques were helpful though. And some of it was my fault. Damn, weakness.


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The point behind calling you nice and respectful is that, like any decent person, if you found something offensive, you would and do generally give a person a chance to rephrase/clarify their point, and then trust them when they do rather than act like a teenage drama queen and continue goading, mischaracterizing, partially quoting, and simply not accepting anything so they can tie you to the strawman and continue berating the caracature they've created. This lack of effort to understand each another, and instead sticking hard to idealism, is a problem in here and IRL, and it's a big part of the reason our entire country and world is so politcally polarized. I'd argue it's right up their with economics/limited rescources as a reason we still fight wars today.
I don't think it has to do with idealism, hell I am way too idealistic. But I get your point.
10-31-2014 , 09:02 PM
I'm here to **** horses and chew gum, and I'm all out of gum.
10-31-2014 , 09:15 PM
Have any of you racist horse****ing pieces of human garbage realized that you can just all go back to SMP and never have to worry about fly or Wookie ever again?
10-31-2014 , 09:18 PM
Zeno is pretty tight with the reins on politics poasting. I guess he gets saddle sore.
10-31-2014 , 09:19 PM
SMP = suck my peppy

Get it?! Because they all are DRUG ADDICTS

Boom
10-31-2014 , 09:22 PM
It should be possible to frame a question about the accuracy of Holocaust death estimates as a math question. Or to phrase it in a Sklansky-esque hypothetical that doesn't even mention the Holocaust.
10-31-2014 , 09:23 PM
Meh, even if Zeno allowed it, it would be separate and unequal.
10-31-2014 , 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Saying that parts are "made up" necessarily implies fabrication, or at the very least, inference which you find of dubious merit. (...) Points like "...the report skirts the question of whether American policies and actions fed the anger that manifested itself on September 11," are valid criticism of the report and not truther material, but such points are hardly consistent with parts of the report being "made up."
What about this:

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Third, and most troubling to me, the report is probably too balanced. Its harshest criticism is directed at institutions and procedures, particularly the CIA, the FBI, and communications links within the counterterrorist community. But many on the staff had worked in these or other national security agencies. They felt loyal to them and some of them expected to return to work there. Collective drafting led to the introduction of passages that offset criticism of an agency with words of praise. Not all these words were deserved.
What is the correct word to use here?

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Your use of double negative in the following sentence leaves tons of room for a limited number of events to not have taken place as described by the commission, even if many did. "Omissions" is in no way synonymous with parts being "made up."
So wait. Is one a truther if one thinks that not ALL events have taken place as described by the commission, is that what you are saying?



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Maybe you're not a "Jewish Cabal" truther, but you still sound a whole lot like a LIHOP truther.
Why?



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Yeah, and that was part of the confusion. I asked you what parts were made up, and you linked to an article that only criticized things that weren't there, not things that were there and that were made up.
Ok. But I corrected it and said omission would be better but you chose to ignore that. And see above for the made up part.
10-31-2014 , 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by The REAL Trolly
Have any of you racist horse****ing pieces of human garbage realized that you can just all go back to SMP and never have to worry about fly or Wookie ever again?
I got no sympathy for these guys but that's now how this forum is supposed to work. (Alta that is)
10-31-2014 , 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
Ehh. If you as a Jewish person are not offended by it, that doesn't mean other Jewish people don't have the right to be.
Yeah as I said: I don't completely understand why they are but I respect it. Never said they don't have the right.


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There are certain topics that are just not worth even discussing even if you believe them to have some sort of merit is all I'm really saying. Just be very careful how you word things, especially something like that which can be met with such heated argument from the other side.
Ok, understood.

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FWIW I don't think you're a holocaust denier. I'm not sure what you are, but I wouldn't say a denier.
Sounds like a hedge, but fair enough.
10-31-2014 , 09:44 PM
I do contract work for the EPA, and I believe in protecting and cleaning up the environment, and I'm glad we have the EPA and I support it. They employ tons of highly qualified scientists ranging from geologists to toxicologists to engineers, and so on. It's an organization influenced by politics and self preservation and I'm comfortable saying sometimes they make shyt up.
10-31-2014 , 09:47 PM
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What is the correct word to use here?
Probably "flattered." If your entire criticism of the report is so narrow and specific, you can silence your critics pretty easily by actually posting a specific criticism rather than your tapdance routine.

"Some parts of the 9/11 commission report were made up."
"What? Are you a truther, too?"
"No. Check out chapter 7, section 2, 3rd paragraph. The author was a little too kind in wording his description of the actions, (really, incompetence) of his buddy at the FBI."
"Uh, ok. Is that really important?"

And we'd be done.

Why else do you think I was asking you what parts were made up and what weren't?
10-31-2014 , 10:07 PM
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Epic fail there. You're a complete idiot if you think that saying there are other things worse than racists qualifies as white knighting racists.

And another one bites the dust.
10-31-2014 , 10:13 PM
Ya'll keep confusing politics with unchained. Y'all want tribal sub-forums you get to pick one, but I'm ****in mutha****ing uchained so **** that. SMP unchained exists within unchained as part of the very fabric. The other Politics and SMP forums are different kinds of bread. Unchained is the ****ing bakery. So **** a doughnut or shove a croissant up your as if you want. Stick your dick in the batter and snort the flour. It's that kind of party. I guess you can even **** any animals that wander in.
10-31-2014 , 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by swissmiss
Yeah there is a lot of this going on. I still don't really get why.
Because the people you're engaging with are trolls who have absolutely no interest in political discussion and simply want to hurt people for their own amusement.
10-31-2014 , 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by The REAL Trolly
Have any of you racist horse****ing pieces of human garbage realized that you can just all go back to SMP and never have to worry about fly or Wookie ever again?
I don't recall that working out so well for BruceZ.

      
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