You don't even know what the historians say. You don't know why their views are respected. You don't know any facts at all, but you are ready to assume that they must be biased because you really like the self-aggrandizing idea that an idiot such as yourself can be super smarter than people with jobs--and all without reading a single book ever!

I didn't mean that.

I meant you to need to have an overwhelming advantage to be able to afford fighting the war that way. That can remain true even after you win.

Nope, you are making a jump to conclusion using an emotional appeal to history and totally ignoring Alex's intent.

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It seems damn close if what Alex is saying now is indicative of the things people have been giving him such a hard time over.

That would suggest Alex has a point but it might be irrelevant. Did they have a serious option of not staying?

Well yeah, people are targeting Alex using the emotional appeal of racism, while ignoring his intent and his total content. He has not been the only target of this kind of action.

Well past time for people to reconsider the validity of this behavior. No racists are getting hurt here, the opposite in fact. Some racists are likely cheering them on for muddying the waters and dividing the people. Racists don't need to push their bad ideas very much if the people opposed to them are all fighting amongst themselves and allowing mercenary behavior to dominate.

Pretty sure that was the war. After the war the governments of the South participated in the Union.

Again, just super telling that when it's some rando on the internet telling him that Bruce is a racist it's opening Pandora's Box of All Available Reasons that guy could be wrong, ergo he is wrong for one or more of them, probably.

FoldNDark will literally never be convinced that **** is racist or sexist or whatever.

Some rando on the internet says the Holocaust is exaggerated? WELL NOW, that's a new perspective, let's give him the benefit of the doubt and put the burden on everyone else to prove that wrong.

spank- Alex has no content and his intent is to attract attention by repeating neoconfederate propaganda. You're enabling him while he enables you.

I sincerely hope your eventual IRL breakdown does not result in anyone else being hurt.

Like note the weird way that the South's secession is legitimate and unquestioned(Alex sincerely does not seem to get where I'm going with my questions about the vote breakdown), but Reconstruction-era(e.g., involving black people governing themselves) state actions get chezlaw's super skeptical eye:

It's almost as if that **** is part of a centuries-long campaign of rhetoric that regards black votes as illegitimate, but what do I know?
I only read **** written by experts, it's not like I'm doing the heavy intellectual lifting of trying to deduce what might have happened after watching the first 45 minutes of Gettysburg on a plane.

Huehue was clearly not trolling Alex.

I'm struggling to understand what you mean. Can you explain

No, disagreeing with me isn't trolling.

Nitpicking my statements to try and say things that are obviously different than what I meant is.

The option of not staying was them was attacking the North, after their abortive attempt the Southern States began working with the Union again

What a terrible way to dodge better appeals than the weak **** you bring.

Your stale argumentation style uses the emotional appeal of racism and other prejudices to bully people. A bad poster who's act has been irrevocably revealed and discredited.

Speaking of enabling, look how your argument here is little more than prejudice against the presumably mentally ill or disabled.

Hey-you have a pattern of this behavior in the forums. Are you a bonafide bigot against people you presume are sick and therefore incapable? Or just a troll? Have other posters and mods enabled you to act this way? Help is available.

I advise starting over and trying to do better for the community. Maybe even just quit. Just remember: Help is available.

So, you're saying the slaves should be forced to live there???

No, it's entirely irrelevant to the Lost Cause nonsense because none of this has anything to do with anything that they're talking about.

It's entirely relevant to secession, because the way that Lincoln went about things severely damaged the right to secession in this country. If we had done it the way I say, we would have accomplished the same thing without trampling the right to secession. That's the entire point.

But, if you were reading my other posts, you would notice that I already agreed that I'm likely wrong in how I've been looking at Lincoln's actions. I find it odd that the more I agree with you, the more hostile you become.

Not that I remember that in the slightest, but you say this like someone explaining their take on something is the same as a fact. "DVaut said" might be a catalyst to give me something to think about, but I'm not simply going to start agreeing with something because he said it.

True. It might be better to say that we have more of an overwhelming advantage these days than to say that we're more enlightened.

Regardless, I agree that Lincoln probably could not have realistically engaged in a war that was for the explicit purpose of ending slavery and that even if the words he said were what he believed (honest Abe after all), he probably rationalized them when he really was motivated by freeing the slaves. It still doesn't change the damage this all did to the right to secession, but that's clearly the lesser evil.

But it is a declaration of justification for secession not an assertion of an absolute right to secession.

I'm not Thomas Jefferson, so I might argue instead that we have a natural right to good government and secession is justified only when it is necessary to secure that right.

I'm pretty sure I do know, actually, but you ruined any chance that I'm going to engage with you in that way for the time being. Hopefully, I'll remember in the future that you gleefully admit to not engaging in honest discussion so that I don't make the mistake of trying to give you yet another chance to be an honest and decent human being.

Intellectual yo! Logic!

I believe that there exists no categorical imperative regarding bullying.

You're joking, right? Spank and I were both repeatedly referring to an alternate history where slavery was ended via the war, but the Southern states were not reunited with the Union, and Huehue kept twisting what we were saying and responding with "that's what happened." That's pretty straightforward trolling.

Wtf is emotional appeal to history? Keep scrolling through spanks posts and still seen that like 3 or 4 times I think.