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03-20-2015 , 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie
Anybody know the origins of the "tone policing" accusation. It sounds like something a racist would say to avoid criticism.
Tone policing is when people ignore BruceZ's racist posts because the people who brought those racist posts to light were mean, using words like "racist" to describe them. The tone police comment only on the tone of the posts from people they don't like and ignore the rest.

I have no idea what chez thinks tone policing is, but his example does not square with common usage at all.
03-20-2015 , 11:12 AM
Yup. Also note is doesn't matter if the actual post was racist or if you show evidence why a post is racist, chez aint got time for all that reasoning.

The only proper response is to muse wistfully about racism for a hundred posts without ever, ever, ever coming close to making a point or challenging a racist statement.
03-20-2015 , 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Tone policing is when people ignore BruceZ's racist posts because the people who brought those racist posts to light were mean, using words like "racist" to describe them. The tone police comment only on the tone of the posts from people they don't like and ignore the rest.

I have no idea what chez thinks tone policing is, but his example does not square with common usage at all.
So if an non-racist ignores or rejects a false accussation of racism, or a nice person responds to intentionally mean behavior by stating it is stupid and ignorant, they are not tone policing, but if a troll tells a critic to shut up - that is tone policing?
03-20-2015 , 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie
So it's not really tone policing
Indeed it's not. It's not possible for wookie to tone police me let alone me to tone police him.

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Besides, aren't they being the tone police themselves by tone policing the critics of their behavior by calling them the tone police?
They would argue that they are addressing the fact their tone is objected to and not the tone with which that objected is made. Others could argue much the same in reverse a lot of the time of course.

In practice you can't really separate the content and delivery most of the time when it comes to this sort of stuff. If trolly trolled in a pleasing manner then it wouldn't be trolling, as it is the grin nearly suffices for him.
03-20-2015 , 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie
So if an non-racist ignores or rejects a false accussation of racism,
Depends. Are they making an argument that the proposed racism is not racist, or are they just saying "You call everything racist!"

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or a nice person responds to intentionally mean behavior by stating it is stupid and ignorant,
This is tone policing if the mean behavior contains an argument that is ignored.

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if a troll tells a critic to shut up - that is tone policing?
Nah, that's not really tone policing. The troll here is just telling the critic to shut up rather than commenting on the critic's tone.
03-20-2015 , 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by LetsGambool
Yup. Also note is doesn't matter if the actual post was racist or if you show evidence why a post is racist, chez aint got time for all that reasoning.

The only proper response is to muse wistfully about racism for a hundred posts without ever, ever, ever coming close to making a point or challenging a racist statement.
Ya, but you tend to target the poster, rather than the post, so your analysis is not very applicable here. Probably relevant to why why you are still stuck with a poor, angry analysis of Bruce's posts. It's no fun calling posts racist to see if they have a meltdown, is it?
03-20-2015 , 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
I have no idea what chez thinks tone policing is, but his example does not square with common usage at all.
Seriously? 'tone policing' is something oppressors do to the oppressed and under-privileged.

it doesn't justify anyone behaving however they like on the internet. If you don't think that posters in your forum should behave like half decent people then just say so.
03-20-2015 , 11:30 AM
Remember though, Chez is here to discuss the issues and not whine about moderation or the tone of posts.
03-20-2015 , 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
Seriously? 'tone policing' is something oppressors do to the oppressed and under-privileged.

it doesn't justify anyone behaving however they like on the internet. If you don't think that posters in your forum should behave like half decent people then just say so.
[citation needed]
03-20-2015 , 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by LetsGambool
Remember though, Chez is here to discuss the issues and not whine about moderation or the tone of posts.
Absolutely. Now we are in an appropriate place to discuss your obsessions.

As last time it came up, I have a high regard for wookies modding. I think he should have done this earlier when you first decided it was a good idea to tard up so many forums but no biggee.
03-20-2015 , 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
Absolutely. Now we are in an appropriate place to discuss your obsessions.

As last time it came up, I have a high regard for wookies modding. I think he should have done this earlier when you first decided it was a good idea to tard up so many forums but no biggee.
I think you'd have much more success getting through to LG if you didn't call him a tard.
03-20-2015 , 11:41 AM
You just can't get rid of posts about Brucez; you think they're gone and they come back like cockroaches!

Segregating these posts about Brucez into Politics Unchained instead of Politics is not biased. After all they are separate, but equally nice places to post.

Spoiler:
intended for humor
03-20-2015 , 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
I think you'd have much more success getting through to LG if you didn't call him a tard.
Do you think he actually cares if some issues I raise are anything to do with Bruce or not.

(I didn't call him a tard btw I was referring to what he causes to happen to the threads. His a tard generator if you prefer).
03-20-2015 , 11:52 AM
I haven't seen it, but strictly going on the rather positive/non-reaction from the intelligent but easily riled/activist parts of black twitter that I follow I don't think the "Empire is racist" dog hunts.

This thread is 9 pages of people arguing with a couple of rocks that grew typing hands.
03-20-2015 , 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
Do you think he actually cares if some issues I raise are anything to do with Bruce or not.

(I didn't call him a tard btw I was referring to what he causes to happen to the threads. His a tard generator if you prefer).
The term "tard" is so inflammatory, though, even if you're directing it at his posts rather than at him. It's a term people can't help but take personally.
03-20-2015 , 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
The term "tard" is so inflammatory, though, even if you're directing it at his posts rather than at him. It's a term people can't help but take personally.
I'm not directing it at his posts either. It's directed at the stream of posts his Brucez posts generates. The tarding up included my post in response as well.
03-20-2015 , 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
I'm not directing it at his posts either. It's directed at the stream of posts his Brucez posts generates. The tarding up included my post in response as well.
Directing your inflammatory language at more people than just LG doesn't help you get your point across any better.
03-20-2015 , 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Directing your inflammatory language at more people than just LG doesn't help you get your point across any better.
Sorry, I'll try harder next time. Its much better now as I'm sure LG will now just post it here in the first place.
03-20-2015 , 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie
That is one thing to be optimistic about and that is we have already begun the long journey and can see real value in our world from the effort and progress made by those who pushed racial equality and justice along before us. The problems that still persist and pop-up now during our time on this road are surmountable.
More blacks and a higher percentage of them are doing better today than ever before. So I don’t have a reason not to be optimistic nor to think any obstacles between the current and ideal states are insurmountable.
03-20-2015 , 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Jbrochu
Well you kept saying everybody was doing it.

But anyway yeah, if Lincoln was sexing up 10 y/o's for sure -- pond scum.

I'm not sure what the age cut-off would be. That's a trickier question imo, because of the different times, and also because the question of when a child is actually old enough to meaningfully consent.
Well, that's where we differ. If Lincoln sexed up 10 y/o girls, I'd wretch thinking about it, but I would understand it was a different time when that was commonplace. Even if he started doing it when he was 16, along the way society's view on adulthood continued evolving and at 25 he realized, "hey, this is ****ed up," but kept doing it the rest of his life, I'd think that what he did was scummy, but it was a transitional period in history when people were coming to grips with it and he was all too human, but still a great man for all his other accomplishments. Today, if I saw someone doing that, I might murder him with my bare hands.
03-20-2015 , 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by dereds

The term carries a significant weight and I accept that there are those who discriminate unintentionally will be offended by being labelled as a racist but this is much less of a problem than their prejudice.
“Hi, I’m Duffee and I’m an institutional racist.”

That sort of racism doesn’t take particulars particularly well.
03-20-2015 , 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
I think you'd have much more success getting through to LG if you didn't call him a tard.
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
The term "tard" is so inflammatory, though, even if you're directing it at his posts rather than at him. It's a term people can't help but take personally.
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Directing your inflammatory language at more people than just LG doesn't help you get your point across any better.
As a demonstration for spank and chez, this^ is tone policing.
03-20-2015 , 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
As a demonstration for spank and chez, this^ is tard policing.
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03-20-2015 , 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
As a demonstration for spank and chez, this^ is tone policing.
As a demonstration for you it was played with a straight bat.

Now when your ready to explain why it's Ok for people in P to fail to behave like half decent human beings then please do so. They are not oppressed people with difficulty making themselves heard.

Last edited by chezlaw; 03-20-2015 at 02:02 PM.
03-20-2015 , 02:09 PM
Chez whining about moderation. The usual usual

      
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