probably been mentioned already, but what happened to the playwarren thread? trying to contact support for something and no reply

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It might have gotten nuked by a blue after someone who wasn't sure about it reported it.

Try playwarren.com or
solvingofc.com.

Buzz

I'd probably ace the top either way in Pineapple with no Q or K to go with, it puts pressure on the opponent and is often winning even with no pair.

Although catching runner-runner from 6 outs and triple-runner from 10 outs is roughly equivalent, in the ~coin flip range, the weakness of the 2-flush start with low/middling cards is that unless at least one of the back row flush cards is an Ace or King or at least a Jack I wouldn't have much confidence the 'right' flush cards are coming for each row.

For example, what if Kc 4d shows up in the first pull? I'd rather have the flexibility to set the 4 in mid and K up top with the ace, so my set looks like

AK
234
9T

instead of

A
29Kccc
3T4dd

And, remember you'll most likely need the Ad for the back row flush so you lose an out for the AA pair.

The other problem with the 29 T3 start is you leave yourself no wiggle room for straights if your flushes don't show up. So regardless of suit the 23/9T start is more solid.

Either way you set it, you're looking for a 3-outer and a 6-outer to hit:

Q QQQ
AK AAAKKK

or

QK QQQKKK
A AAA

Your odds to hit both the 3- and 6-outer are exactly the same. It's more a matter of risk/reward.

It makes a huge difference if you're talking about Standard or Pineapple OFC, because you're talking about a ~15-20% difference in odds, and while a 6-outer is fine in Standard (78%/79%), the 3-outer is under 50% at 48/49. In Pineapple odds move up to 85%/89% and 60%/65%, obviously allowing more flexibility in decision-making. That's all heads up. 3-handed in position you can have up to a 70% 3-outer and 92% 6-outer with 12 more cards to come.

In Standard it's unlikely for both events to occur, so I'd prefer Q/AK since AA or KK middle will be winning a lot of the time, adding scoop equity, and there's not much difference between K high and Q high in front. Standard OFC scoring strategy is all about scooping and royalties, since FL is relatively rare.

In Pineapple, on the other hand, value is found while punishing your opponents in FL (as well as the royalty equity in QQ KK or AA+ top), and I'd be pretty comfortable setting the QK front, doubling my chances of catching a FL pair, with at least a 60% chance I'll pair my Ace (and you can throw in a small % of the time catching a random other two-pair or trips in the middle, say 7%, bringing the unfoul up to about 2/3). Conservative play in Pineapple will get you nowhere, and a single pair middle like AA or KK will quite often be a loser as well.

A very loose EV scenario is basically ~57% of the time you get there, catch your royalties and/or scoop equity plus FL EV, so let's say you scooped, plus a flush back and KK front (all against a player who hasn't fouled but made no royalties).

So 6+4+8 = 18 plus FL EV of let's say 7, so 25 points, is 14.25 points.

43% of the time you lose 6 points, or -2.58

So the gamble has approximately a 12-point EV.

6c,Qs,Qd,5d,As

First to set. Standard? I find I foul often with two low cards on bottom. And when I do make FL, I have yet to maintain it for more than the one hand. Being results oriented?

QQx
Axxxx
65xxx

Thanks a lot for the explanation. Makes sense

Hey guys,

If your like me and have a stockpile of Screenshots of tough Pineapple Open-Face hands, I would love it if you could send 'em to me: openfacesolutions@gmail.com. I won't reveal your username or anything, I just am looking for tough situations to solve. Only need pineapple hands for now. Cheers!

seems like OYE is the best android ofc app and ABC is the best iOS ofc app

anyone see it differently?

OYE is very new but very good yes. Pineapp is another very new one worth checking out. I believe they are still in beta, but its very promising.

3322Q

are we playing this as Q/ /3322

Or

Q/3322/ / (empty back)


HU, first to act chinapple

Wat

I figured this. Playing against a guy that regularly does this and I suppose the variance has me questioning myself

Q/blank/3322 IMO

QQ
A
65

Pretty sure that's the best possible setup. Pretty standard i think.

A
65
QQ

Seems infinitely better to me

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Cheers.

I am not a huge fan of this at all. x/a6/qq5 seems better than this. We are talking pineapple, right?

QQ-A-56 is only way to play IMO unless you see dead aces and kings already

No, not Pineapple. Just recently began playing OFC with some coworkers. We do play FL though. I seem to do better not forcing FL against villain. He plays for FL after watching the Deeb/Greensein video, and will often foul. I'll usually play more conservatively and get ryalties on the bottom and top row. Usually a flush or FH, and then pair royalties on the top.

This particular hand fouled when I couldn't 2 pair the bottom.

I think in traditional you generally don't play for the foul, without a layup hand like qqkax or qq (or kk) pp a or the like. I could be wrong though, haven't played regular in a while.

If it is traditional, I am still not sure about ace up top, as drawing another ace and pairing AA in the middle going to open up a lot of doors up top, while leaving plenty of outs on the bottom.

Q
22
33

My previous post and this one refer to pineapple FYI. For qq / A / 56 to avoid a foul you have to hit an ace and substantial improvement to 56. For my sort to get to fantasy land I have to hit an ace, substantial improvement for 56, and small improvement for qq in back (two pair, trips, etc). That seems similar with the added advantage that if you brick out you don't foul my way 95+% of the time you avoid pairing the ace.

Recommendations on decent Android apps?

^Pineapp is really good.

Ok I have no idea how to play this.

First to place.

10s 7d 2h 3h 4c

Do I place it as xx/234/107?

Usually when i have a straight or a flush draw with 3 i place it immediately but here if i do not pick an ace or a 5 in the first draw i feel im screwed