in 2/7 you draw to low in the middle (T high qualifier not to foul)
7high is 4pts, 8high 2pts, 9high 1pt; 23457 is 4pt + fantasy

regular fantasy is KK+ 14card, KK+ and 23457 at the same time - 15card

There are OFC odds calculators out there.

Why would you set it as 2 or 3?

IMO: 1) -/J/KKTT
2) -/KK/JTT
3) -/KcTc/KcJcTc

Interesting dead card spot. Pineapple, AA gets 14-card fantasyland. Early in a HUSnG 150 points deep, so FL is worth more and fouling hurts less.

Villain sets -/32/A87
Hero holds A3345

Even with dead cards, I prob go:

-/A3/345

Alternative may be:

A/33/45

Seems to put you in more awkward spots to gamble, though. And tougher to make a two pair in back that's going to beat two pair in the middle.

Also get 92%

Here's a rules refresher on it if you need it - at bottom of page

http://www.openfaceodds.com/rules.html

IMO you gotta memorize some situations for live or timed play, like when setting 1st five cards, and also after setting next pull. A good example is having 3-to-flush set like

Q
9
AT2

and catching 9Q3 next pull.

I have all the Pineaple HU and 3H charts available with single and double events (single event like up-and-down or gutshot or whatever and double event like runner-runner flush) on site but I'm not giving then away for free like I do for the Standard variation. But I did do all the legwork for all the situations, like after setting first five with 12 to come, after first pull with 9 to come, with all the outs variants, and bundled them nicely into a PDF pack. I find them incredibly useful. I'm not really trying to sales pitch you here, because it's not the marketplace and everything else I've offered up on here has been completely free, so please forgive if inappropriate, but they are there should you find them useful. I know a lot of people are starting to try to figure out the odds for Pineapple.

I ended up setting A/45/33 because 9-K were totally live. Made the double two pair no trouble but never drew another ace. Villain busted his flush and fouled.

Anyone care to give me some long term variance/std deviation and win rate data? I am a student of the game but I don't actually play that much and haven't bothered keeping good records of my results.

The Charts have been updated and are correct.

Hi Guys,

Is this Play Warren a rip off side, paid 3 month ago for 1 month but this cheaters still deduct every month from my Credit Card, does anyone have same problem?

I know it was stupid to even pay for 1 month but its done and I not found that side very precise, even with My skilles I can beat that Engine.

Please let em know also if any of that guys is here in Forum.

Cheers

Total scam. I tried warning people but mods deleted my posts

Its not a scam. You signed up for a recurring membership. If you cancel and complain he should give you some sort of discount/rebate on the current months membership. You need to email him.

As far as the quality of the product, I would not bet my life that any of his decisions are completely accurate, but it can help your game a bit. I am creating an alternative product that should be available for a more reasonable price. Hopefully will be ready with that in a couple months, its been taking forever.

recurring memberships are forbitten by international and EU law since 2011 if they are on Web based Sides, memberships allowed but NOT that it get auto deducted! (information from Visa Card)

You can get asked to pay every month and if you do so its your own decision.

Anyway I got good news and they will refund me that last month and everything is fine now.

I also did expect something different, Pinnable client is really weak, can comment much on regular engine as I not play that anymore and its hardly played anywhere.

How would you play this if you are first to act in HU pineapple ?

Wow tough one. I think my top two are

QQ/K/AA

Then

-/AdQd/AKQ

Indeed a tough one. I played it as the 2nd choice you mentioned.

What are your FL rules? Makes a big difference for that hand.

What do you mean? Its QQ+ up top and 14 card fantasy.

I can't play at TonyBet so I didn't know their rules. One site I play at it's KK+ for 15 cards. In that case we'd give strong consideration to K/AA/QQ. Another site is AA+ for 14, there the flushes are by far the best.

QQ/14 makes it somewhat close, but 14-card fantasy generally not being worth all that much even with liberal return rules, I'd probably go ahead and set for the flushes.

As noted by another poster, some of the online sites have different FL rules. PocketRockets does KK+ for the land, and you get 15 cards. I actually like that rule much better, although I personally think the best rule would be KK gets you a 14-card FL, and AA gets you a 15-card FL, staying is always 14. But I understand my opinion is definitely the minority.

I assume Tapirboy is also referring to PocketRockets but if there's another site that does KK+ for 15 cards, I'd love to know about it. Just like him, I can't play on TonyBet (god bless the USA) so as far as I know, PocketRockets is pretty much the only online place (not an app where it just keeps score and you have to take care of settlling up with your opponent on your own) where you can play for real money, albeit via Bitcoins as opposed to Euros or USD directly. Having to deposit, play for, and withdraw in bitcoins is certainly less than ideal, but it's still much better than not being able to play at all. I certainly recommend checking out PRC to anyone interested in playing OFC online.

Tapirboy - who are you on PRC?

Yeah, PRC. I'm actually kind of getting to the point of disliking KK/15. It was great when the games started, but now everything's just degenerated to the point that every game is a race to fantasyland. AA/14 at Grid is a little more fun because it's largely about making royalties in the middle. But 15-card fantasyland is much more fun to be in than 14, so I think my preferred ruleset would be trips/15, or maybe AA/14 + trips/15.

I think bitcoins are great, fwiw. Not quite as nice as playing for USD before UIGEA, but much much better than playing for USD now.

I agree 15 makes it a race to fantasyland. But QQ is too "easy", IMO, in that I don't believe there's that much risk ("sufficient risk") to shoot for FL and so it defeats the purpose of it. But the way the people who got Dean to change it from QQ to KK were able to sell the change (and convince people to go along with it) was to basically offer 15 cards as the trade-off from moving it from QQ to KK. Without offering the 15 card prize, it's likely the change from QQ to KK would not have been accepted.

In other words, I'd rather have QQ nothing, KK+ = 15 than QQ+ = 14. And if those are the only two options, then that's just the way it is.

AA+ = 14 is too anti-fantayland. I'm more than happy to see a ruelset reduce the power of FL but that's just too far the other way. My personal opinion is KK=14, AA+=15, or even QQ=13, KK=14, AA+=15. Either of those two, IMO, are great, because the "risk" element goes up exponetially with each pair. With QQ there are two pairs you can use in the middle for a pair/pair/strong hand combo, with KK there is only one and with AA, not counting quads, it has to be a 2pair or better mid. That isn't anything you don't know obviously, but removing half (or all) of the 1-pair middles makes FL SIGNIFICANTLY tougher to obtain. So the rewards should reflect that. Hence why I like either KK=14, AA+=15, or even QQ=13, KK=14, AA+=15.

But you also have to weigh what everyone else will like, particularly the gambooool-obsessed fish and the newbs looking for something new. So it's a balancing act.

Also, do you go by Tapirboy on there? Or something else?