The Friday $200 normally gets around 100 runners according to the dealer I asked about this.

Fwiw I spoke with someone who works there and they verified with floor managers that it is in fact not ok to show your cards during a hand when HU. Not sure which floor you spoke with, but they misinformed you

We spoke with John (if I am wrong about his name - he is a big black guy). If you play at MS more then once , then you know who this guy is.
The table was on stage 2/5 cash game. And it was around 4:00AM Tuesday2Wednesday night.

does anyone know the spreads on the LHE games? ive heard the 3/6 is popular, is there a 4/8 or 5/10? i think i am done at foxwoods for a while, the $4 rake + the new BBJ is impossible, after tip you are looking at $6-$7 from every pot.

do they ever run mixed games? SHOE and HOE are always fun

Hey Mohegan/F-Woods regs

I'm going to be at Foxwoods tomorrow but I would like to come check out Mohegan for a change of pace. I don't know the exact address of foxwoods so I Was hoping someone could give me the easiest directions to Mohegan from Foxwoods.

Thanks in advance!

I-95 to 395 to exit 79A to exit 2 can't miss it

Or leave the woods take rt 2 west for about 4 miles then hit 2-a which will take u to the sun you'll see signs for Mohegan reservation

any mohegan vips got Jonas brothers tix they wanna get rid of ??

thanks cubby

I'll be at the sun from 3pm and on today... any 2+2'ers want to meet up?

thanks guys, not on the road early enough for the $200, but i'll prob be playing some 2-5 this afternoon.

Was up at the Sun yesterday from around 10am-5pm. Played exclusively 2-5 in the main game (anyone else there at that time too?) I'll keep my brag to a minimum, but I walked out +1k on the day, thanks in most part to a triple-up when I hit the NF on the river versus the K-high flush and broadway.

The real reason for the post is that we talked with the poker room manager about the HHJ. He came right over to the table and asked us what our opinion of it was, if we prefered not to be included in it (meaning 2-5 in general) and if we had any suggestions. Personally, I was quite pleased to see that he genuinely cared about what we had to say.

My input was mostly this-I am not a grinder, I am a casual player, so I could care less about contributing a few bucks to the HHJ occassionally. However, if I was a grinder, which there are quite a few of at this level, I would be pissed. This will clearly cost them up to a few hundred bucks a week (assuming they don't win the HHJ).

He totally understood where I was coming from and gave me some background on the success he had running this type of promo in the Borgota (where was former PR manager). He then asked if we would be more comforatble if the house took the extra $1 at a higher rake level than the current $20 ceiling it's at now. In other words, now, when the pot gets to $20, $1 is taken for the HHJ. He said he'd be willing to take the dollar at $40 or even at the max rake level of $60 if he got enough input to sway him.

Since our game wasn't too filled with regs at the time, nobody seemed to care enough to vote, so he kinda moved on. But all-in-all, what do you guys think?

I assume that a condition of qualifying for the HHJ in a particular hand is that the $1 got dropped (pot size >= $20)? More general - is this the case for BBJ in most rooms?

TBH, I just play weekends and I don't see it driving much action even at 1/2. You've got to hit a straight flush fairly high to win it and can't think of any circumstance that that someone chased just because of the HHJ. I've never heard a comment that someone is playing just in the hopes of hitting the HHJ. Most players see it as kind of a "luck" thing and it will happen if it happens.

Obviously, winning players aren't going to like it because it reduces their edge. I think it would have to be an order of magnitude bigger before someone would play poker just because of it.

I'm posting a response here in the hope that someone on the staff at MS reads these forums for more input on this.

I don't like the HHJ. I'm a semi-regular player at 1-2 NL and 3-6 FL. I like playing poker, and if I wanted to play in a lucky draw, or a sweepstakes, or a mini-lottery, or whatever this is, then I would play in the pit somewhere. I don't like the idea that I'm financing some daily random winner with every hand that I play. EVEN if I win the damn thing, I still wouldn't want to participate. I know there were some players in LA who were suing one of the casinos over this, but I don't know the outcome of the suit.

I tried to explain the disadvantages to some of the more casual tourist players one night, but most of them didn't see it my way. They just liked the idea that they might with a thousand or two one on some random occasion. I can understand the attraction for the casual player, but as this post above explains, it REALLY sucks for the regular players who are already paying rake--it's just like another rake for them, again, EVEN if they win they will still be down long term.

If you're going to keep doing this, MS, then you should boost your bonuses for the regs.

I agree with this 100%, but I guess that the casinos believe it draws in more business than it drives away.
FW is starting a raked BBJ, also. I hate this; it simply takes another $20/hour or so off the table for an involuntary lottery.
The only possible redeeming virtue will be if any significant number of additional weak players are attracted into the games (or if I win one!)

Was there playing 2-5 from like 3pm onwards....was in the 2nd main game, first table as you come up on the right. I assume you were on the table to the left.

If the casino takes $1 off a $20 pot, how is that bad for the regulars?

Let's say I win a $30 pot, and they take $1 off, what's the difference? Are you not satisfied to take the $29 pot?

I think the HHJ good for the game.

For example:

One time a player raised to $13 from the middle position ($1/2 NL), another calls, and I reraised to $60 from the button. The initial raiser called and missed on the flop. He flipped his cards over saying, "I was chasing the high hand jackpot."

I don't understand how people dislike the HHJ?

Brag: Finished 5th in Friday Nights 15k guarantee for $1000

Beat: Played a 3 way pot near the bubble like a cash game and instead of checking it down to knock the 3rd person out, I raised and the other person folded and I lost the main pot to keep third person in the tourny

Variance: This was only my 5th live tournament

Extra brag: maddd juicy cash games Friday night and lots of money to be made if you know what your doing

the tournament had 85 entrants, original pay scale had top 9 cashing, but we chopped it up at 11 players for $1000 each and 1st and 2nd playing for the rest of the money

Mohegan actually did not reach the guarantee but still had to pay it. They need 86 runners to cover it.

How much tips we should pay at small tourneys ?

We chopped three way last Tuesday and we tipped $100 each , which was almost 10%. BTW, it was really small (40 entrants) and soft tournament.

IMO, that is way too much. I know there is a lot of variance in this as the argument is sometimes made "if you tip a waiter 15-20%, why not the same with a dealer?"

I don't agree with that though because a) the scale is so much different and b) compared to a cash game, the percentage being tipped is like 45x greater.

Example of "b" - If I win a $50 pot, I tip $1. Therefore in a tourney, if I win 1k, should my tip not be 20x $1, or $20?? Now I understand that you are tipping all the dealers for their service, so I could even see someone making the case to raise this to $50...but still, $100 is crazy!

Say you are winning player. Admittedly, that a minority of players playing poker. Your edge allows you to win more money over time than your opponents. However, with the HHJ, there's no edge. The biggest donkey has the same chance of winning the money as you do. Therefore, the rake is reducing your winnings over the long haul.

Say you win 4 pots an hour. That's $4 out of your pocket to some random player that got lucky. Given a 1/2 player is making $20-$30/hour if they are good, that's a significant portion of their earnings.

While I'm not a regular 40h/wk player, that's the first time I've heard of someone saying that.

If it brings a bunch of fish to the tables, then it would be a good thing. However, I think most people follow the same path I did: Play tournaments first and then when more comfortable, move to cash. The HHJ would not be a sufficient driver to move me to play cash.

TBH, one problem with CT poker in general is how serious everyone is playing cash. For a newbie, it has to be pretty intimidating. There's no question that in Las Vegas, poker is more fun to play and people are more relaxed. I don't know how to change it, but if MS or FW did figure it out, they would have better games with more fish in them.

Well, probably t'was overpay. But we had $1100 each and some extra in bounties. To addition to , I felt slightly sorry for a lower tipping about month ago. We chopped at Wednesday's 10k guarantee with 250 entrants and
tipped only $200( all together ). I definitely see that dealers were disappointed. I have no idea if house pays the same rate at tourneys and cash games. But at 2/5 cash game dealer makes at least $20 per hour.

That's why I am looking for an answer here.

Wow , I have a pretty good score at tournaments ( 1/3 I finish on money) ,
but I always thought , that tournaments are a treats for a cash game
winnings. Especially big events. You will finish on money on a last day
of multidays event and get just about 2x-3x buyins. That's not a good risk/reward path to go.

i put $40 in the tip box on the tournament podium the other night after I cashed out my tournament winnings.

i hope they allocate the money to the appropriate dealers who dealt the tournament

i have switched from playing at FW to mohegan and I have to say i like the new room a lot more. The play is very passive too, but also the people don't seem as likely to gamble with you and not everyone is ready to play or lose their money. I think it is actually harder to extract chips but also it seems less like their is less stress in the air. The dealers are awesome too and I really like their attitude.

Losing $4/hr is fair reasoning I guess.

If you are a 'regular' then you must have a GOOD AMOUNT of bankroll. Otherwise, you wouldn't be able to afford to play 'regularly.' Losing a few dollars shouldn't be a big deal if you are a winning player imo.

I probably lose more dollars from tipping the dealer every time I win over a $50+ pot.

I don't know if you notice this, but from my experiences at Mohegan & Foxwoods, the normal raise preflop in $1/2 NL CASH GAMES is 6xBB+ (e.g $1/2 to $12-$15 raise.) The pot normally goes up to $50+ before the river. I am completely satisfied taking down 4 pots of ($50+) - ($1) = $49 in one hour.

HHJ doesn't all go to some random player. Those hardworking dealers gets about $100-$200 tips from HHJ as well.

If it's a lucky donk who wins the HHJ, then it's even better. He will brag and tell his friends how he won $2,000 from HHJ. His friends will be attracted and play. More donks imo = good for the game.


P.S that was a true story when I reraise to $60 with AA and some guy called with 34s hoping to hit a straight flush. I remember the guy saying there are 25 minutes left until HHJ session takes 1 hour break. LOL