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09-27-2009 , 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by bluezam
How is it that the weight of underage gambling/drinking falls on the shoulders of a waitress, dealer or floorperson? Can a waitress serving drinks to x amount of tables with x amount of players at those tables really tell the difference between a real id and a fake by just looking at it? How many people from how many states and countries come into Borgata on a daily basis? They don't have the luxury of using a swipe box (sorry don't know what they are called) as they walk from table to table. Dosen't the dealer have enough to worry about besides checking for proper id's? It just seems like the present procedure leads alot of customer disatisfaction. I've played at tables at Borgata where the same player was asked every dealer change and when floor changed as well. I know they are doing their job and if it was me I would do the same no matter how mad someone got. As another member mentioned in a previous post about being disturbed in the middle of a hand he was currently playing. I believe the player did win the hand so all was well but what if he lost a substantial amount of money because of it? How did the player recount the action that he missed while he was being asked questions? Isn't it improper for a dealer or another player at the table to recount the action for a player who missed what happened? If I was in the hand against him I would object to anyone saying anything that could help him. I realize it was a unique situation but it still leads to other potential problems. I understand that there are huge fines and penalties maybe even a loss/suspension of gambling license that the casino's face. It seems the staff is facing huge penalties as well suspension/loss of livelihood. It just seems like there has to be a better way! A way that dosen't put so much stress on ones staff that it could, and I'm only say could lead to poorer customer service. The person at the front desk that takes your initals when there is a list, maybe every player has to be id'd at front desk before they can sit, list or no list? Once your on the list you are good and only people from the list can sit. Maybe every player has to have a borgata card, i have a card from a competitor's casino that has a pin number. Maybe you have to give a proper form of id and know your pin or password to prove it is you. I know there are alot of other factor's influencing the situation so it is a difficult situation. I have no problem giving my id if asked and i think other people should do the same no matter how old you are. People tend to make more of being asked than is really necessary. Since Borgata is my favorite place to play I've noticed that it seems to have placed a excessful amount of stress upon the staff. Just my opinion..
Use paragraphs please.

The waitresses didn't get in trouble because the guy had a fake, they only got in trouble for not carding him.

They're just stepping up enforcement for now because of what happened, it'll probably go away soon enough imo. Also the room is generally less crowded now, so they can take the time to do it I think. In the past they never asked anyone for ID unless they look really young.
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09-27-2009 , 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by waxie
raises hand....I was wearing the long sleeve phillies shirt. we gotta find that french guy, he was classic.

and the game was awesome.
I figured you were probably a two plus twoer. I dunno if you heard me, but I said "lets go to three town" and stuff a couple times. I usually like to throw that out there as an indicator.

I ran HORRIBLE at 10/20 this weekend and absolutely wanted to kill myself and everyone else. Being in that Pink game put me in a good mood to end my trip and made me forget 10/20 not just because I won some money, but because of the conversation at our end of the table was so awesome. I hateso many of the old nits at 10/20 that you can't talk to and are so grumpy. I didn't even care that among the 4 of us we were all good or decent players (the navy guy was, his wife was so so) because I was having so much fun. The other end of the table all made up for it though. I wasn't sure about the asian kid to my left, I think he was probably a little too loose/passive but whatever.

I have a feeling that the guy you loved is so angry at life because he probably takes a lot of abuse due to appearing to have downs, but not actually having downs. Thats why I let him slide. I've definitely seen him around the borg before.

That french guy was really cool by the way. I wasn't sure about his game, I think he probably played too many hands, but I didn't see him get too wild or anything, just too loose passive I think.
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09-27-2009 , 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by jjshabado
I've never understood the people that get really annoyed at being carded. Just take out your license and leave it by your chips. If you get carded hand them the card and go back to your hand and ignoring them. When they give your card back, put it down. Maybe 8 seconds worth of inconvenience.
One night at 1/2 NL tables, the same 3 or 4 players got carded by every waitress and by many of the dealers. Nobody got annoyed but it seemed comical... There has to be a better way...
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09-27-2009 , 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr Rick
One night at 1/2 NL tables, the same 3 or 4 players got carded by every waitress and by many of the dealers. Nobody got annoyed but it seemed comical... There has to be a better way...
I'm sure it is comical, I just don't see it as anywhere close to being a big deal. Like we're literally talking 10 seconds each time if the person is even half way intelligent.

One day I saw a kid get asked 3 times, each time he'd get up, get out his wallet, find his id, show it to the waitress, put his id back in his wallet, put his wallet back in his pants, and sit down. He was getting so annoyed that he was going on tilt.
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09-27-2009 , 11:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave D
Use paragraphs please.

The waitresses didn't get in trouble because the guy had a fake, they only got in trouble for not carding him.

They're just stepping up enforcement for now because of what happened, it'll probably go away soon enough imo. Also the room is generally less crowded now, so they can take the time to do it I think. In the past they never asked anyone for ID unless they look really young.
Hey Dave D, my bad on the lack of paragraphs. I was just making a general comment that the waitress/dealer's don't really have access to the tools necessary to properly confrim a players id. So it seems unfair to face such extreme consequences.
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09-27-2009 , 11:53 PM
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Originally Posted by bluezam
Hey Dave D, my bad on the lack of paragraphs. I was just making a general comment that the waitress/dealer's don't really have access to the tools necessary to properly confrim a players id. So it seems unfair to face such extreme consequences.
A good faith effort to ask for an ID is all anyone is really ever required to do at a bar or whatever. If they really have a question, they can ask for a borgata card and check the names, just like LITERALLY every other employee in the casino does when they serve you.
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09-28-2009 , 12:23 AM
Last week was the first time that I was carded by a waitress, it was actually pretty funny because I had never been carded before by one. I got a kick out of it because i was waiting for a new 10/20 LHE game to start in the back and I was sitting at the table waiting for it to open and I ordered a Red bull. Didnt even order an alcoholic beverage and she asked for my ID. I made a comment towards her like shouldnt the dealer or the floor person be asking for my ID? she told me that all of the waitresses can lose their jobs if there is someone gambling in their area that is underage, and there are no warnings. So I didnt blame her one bit and gave her an extra dollar tip for actually doing her job.
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09-28-2009 , 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by BlaneH
I really didn't meant to cause this big ID uproar. I was more posting my story since the poster before me mentioned the afternoon/morning floor people handling things not as well.

The solution really is simple to just get a ID stamp and you'll be fine 99.5% of the time. I would be very shocked if I was carded mid hand ever again.
Hey BlaneH, not trying to create a uproar either. I was just using your experience as a example of how one's effort to uphold policy could be handled differently. Maybe by stopping the hand until things were confirmed.
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09-28-2009 , 01:43 AM
It's really not that big of a deal. I look underage get carded 4-5 times usually in a session(upwards of 11-12 :X) I take it out and show it. It really doesn't take that much effort. I always give it to the floorperson when being seated since I'm already in my wallet to take out the Borg card and I get carded initially about 90%.
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09-28-2009 , 02:12 AM
I will give any and all dealers, waitresses and Floorpeople $5 for everytime they decide to card me. $10 if they do it with a straight face.
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09-28-2009 , 02:57 AM
Sit down, place id in cup holder, place phone over the top. If dealer asks for i.d., slide it from out the holder and show, then place back in holder, rinse and repeat as many time's as needed. This could be tough if you drink at the table but if you're like me and don't then it should take a max of 10 seconds for the whole process.
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09-28-2009 , 05:19 AM
Hmm i recall earlier this year me and my friend went to Borgata for our 1st time and played 1-2 NL. Both of us got carded by this older guy who brought us to our seats. We're 23-24 so that should be expected i guess?
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09-28-2009 , 08:59 AM
Well, the place was a morgue yesterday. It was the least crowded that I can recall.

The PCG didn't go until well after 12PM and we started it as O8 (short). They tried, much to my pleasure, calling PCHE several times. But, we never got enough people that would play short.

Eventually, we turned the PCO8 into a 2-way, with HE. And, that filled up over time. But, for the most part, the action sucked. I left around 4:30 (now waiting for reports that the game got spectacular at 5:00). I had fun hanging with NJChick though. Also had a pretty solid girl on my left, who was nice. The rest of the table was a pretty serious collection of mopes, regs and degens. Kid next to NJChick was OK, but didn't say much.

I couldn't make a hand all day, and you couldn't push the calling stations in seats 7 & 8 off a hand with a bulldozer.. but it wasn't like I missed out on that much action. It was a lame, passive table. Although,it did pain me to have come home and book a loss. I had been running sooooo well in that game. This was first time I got stuck in the PCG in 6 weeks. Oh well, **** happens and IFSATG

Stan, major props to the floor staff yesterday. They worked their asses off trying to get the games started, not just PCG's but also the 10-20 2-way. That broke & restarted a couple times. However, the cage... Stan... the cage... on a good day the cage is just horrible. Yesterday, most of the time they had one window open and picked from the bottom of the barrel to staff it. Once, they did have 2 windows open, then the line stretched out 10-15 deep - so, they closed one window?!?!?!?!
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09-28-2009 , 09:31 AM
I started booking serious hours at the Borg poker room since labor day. Took a week off to play a tourny and the side games at the Poker Open this month and pulled down some serious stash. Just spent the weekend there too.

I think I've booked a sufficient number of hours @ 2/5 and 5/10 to qualify for poker room rate? How do I reserve a room at the poker rate?
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09-28-2009 , 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by IFSATG

Stan, major props to the floor staff yesterday. They worked their asses off trying to get the games started, not just PCG's but also the 10-20 2-way. That broke & restarted a couple times.
The 2-way game was horrible yesterday. We started the game around 11:00am 6-handed..played for about an hour nobody new came into the game and then one of they guys had to get up after the Stud round to check out of the hotel and left the game 5-handed. We continued to play just stud for bit then the inevitable happens..no list..someone wants to get up and use the bathroom..get something to eat...and then the others panic and start racking up their chips, whip out the newspapers and the game breaks within 2 hours of it starting.

We started the game shorthanded an hour later and it never filled up and it broke within a short period of time.

I am not blaming anyone, but the regulars in that game and do not want to play shorthanded and seem to be quite content to sit around the poker room, read the paper, go eat, go home and come back later. A few of us went on the PC Omaha list and luckily the game went and never broke.

Just a quick observation, in the times I have played the 15/30/45 2-way at the Taj there seems to be a more willingness to play shorthanded to keep the game going until it fills up..Not so at the Borgata

Now granted it was extremely slow in the poker room yesterday, but since I have migrated over to the Borg I have seen this happen quite frequently. Some are blaming it on the fact that the PC games are taking away players, but I seriously don't think that's the problem. Some say its because the Stud8 portion should be removed. Well...we tried getting a 10/20 O8 game off and had no takers.

I'm no expert having only logged about 150 hours in the past few months...again just an observation. It should be a great game -- it just runs on empty the times I have played in it.
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09-28-2009 , 10:27 AM
I was playing and my son was sitting at an empty table waiting for a table and while we were chatting he got carded. I had to laugh.
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09-28-2009 , 11:39 AM
I, personally, don't like playing with the 10/20 2way regulars, short or full. I will gladly play on the 2nd table of 10/20 2way, or at the pink chip. I'd rather play 3/6 holdem than the 10/20 2way with the regulars.
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09-28-2009 , 12:16 PM
Agreed... I actually did pass on the 10/20 2-way game and sat 3/6 while waiting waiting for PCG to start. That 2-way game is horrible, on a good day.
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09-28-2009 , 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by IFSATG
Agreed... I actually did pass on the 10/20 2-way game and sat 3/6 while waiting waiting for PCG to start. That 2-way game is horrible, on a good day.
Could you be specific as to why? I'm heading there today for the foreseeable future and was really looking forward to that game in particular.
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09-28-2009 , 01:03 PM
Sure...

It's generally a collection of crusty regular nits, that will check down to each other when heads up, complain when the game gets short - then they take turns going on extended breaks, sit there reading the racing form, etc.

In short - it's just not fun!

Contrast with the PCG, where folks are actually enjoying themselves. The mood is lively, the players loose and that makes for a good game.
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09-28-2009 , 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by IFSATG
Well, the place was a morgue yesterday. It was the least crowded that I can recall.

The PCG didn't go until well after 12PM and we started it as O8 (short). They tried, much to my pleasure, calling PCHE several times. But, we never got enough people that would play short.

Eventually, we turned the PCO8 into a 2-way, with HE. And, that filled up over time. But, for the most part, the action sucked. I left around 4:30 (now waiting for reports that the game got spectacular at 5:00). I had fun hanging with NJChick though. Also had a pretty solid girl on my left, who was nice. The rest of the table was a pretty serious collection of mopes, regs and degens. Kid next to NJChick was OK, but didn't say much.

I couldn't make a hand all day, and you couldn't push the calling stations in seats 7 & 8 off a hand with a bulldozer.. but it wasn't like I missed out on that much action. It was a lame, passive table. Although,it did pain me to have come home and book a loss. I had been running sooooo well in that game. This was first time I got stuck in the PCG in 6 weeks. Oh well, **** happens and IFSATG

Stan, major props to the floor staff yesterday. They worked their asses off trying to get the games started, not just PCG's but also the 10-20 2-way. That broke & restarted a couple times. However, the cage... Stan... the cage... on a good day the cage is just horrible. Yesterday, most of the time they had one window open and picked from the bottom of the barrel to staff it. Once, they did have 2 windows open, then the line stretched out 10-15 deep - so, they closed one window?!?!?!?!
38 live games is a morgue!! Hard to keep pace with the expectations.

Stan
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09-28-2009 , 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Ruler of the East
38 live games is a morgue!! Hard to keep pace with the expectations.

Stan
You know it's all comparatively speaking. Borgata sets the bar pretty high.
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09-28-2009 , 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by IFSATG
Sure...

It's generally a collection of crusty regular nits, that will check down to each other when heads up, complain when the game gets short - then they take turns going on extended breaks, sit there reading the racing form, etc.

In short - it's just not fun!

Contrast with the PCG, where folks are actually enjoying themselves. The mood is lively, the players loose and that makes for a good game.
I agree with this whole post. They complain about preflop raises and aggressive moves (how can you be raising, you don't even have a hand yet), argue about the nittiest things, aren't very nice to dealers or new players....just in general not a very enjoyable poker time for me.
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09-28-2009 , 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by punkass
You know it's all comparatively speaking. Borgata sets the bar pretty high.
I second this sentiment whole heartedly. The Borgata staff does an amazing job and is always so accommodating. It might have been a bit slower yesterday but the service by everyone was tremendous.
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09-28-2009 , 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by cjs
I was playing and my son was sitting at an empty table waiting for a table and while we were chatting he got carded. I had to laugh.
I still don't understand the humor , but anyway, one is supposed to be 21 to even BE IN the poker room, so that may help you understand why...
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