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03-04-2011 , 02:23 PM
who is michaelsc (haven't seen him post here)? what a dick. jesus.
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03-04-2011 , 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by cts
Yesterday michaelsc was trying to shortstack against some fish on a ring table and asked for heads up, to which I of course told him that if he wanted a heads up match that he could move the game to a heads up table (the fish clearly did not want heads up and continued to play as the game filled up and chatted it up with the players). At that point he said "ok well maybe i will start talking about how you opened up a second account on cake."

I had never heard this before but I just want to make sure it's not a rumor other people are hearing. I've only played on one account ever on Cake, and I haven't played there in at least 1.5 years (I know I didn't play there in 2010, as I didn't have to file an FBAR, I believe I quit playing there early 2009). I'm not even sure there would be much of an advantage as you can change names, I guess people's notes wouldn't follow you? Anyways this was totally out of the blue to me so I wanted to make sure it's clear I have only played on my account on Cake, and if people are further curious I'm happy to give a Cake rep on here permission to look into it.
maybe you made a 2nd account so you could rathole more efficiently OH WAIT
03-04-2011 , 02:53 PM
notes do follow, but I also recall you talking in chat about playing on there around that time, which should imply that you weren't going through any effort to hide behind a second account
03-04-2011 , 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by cts
Yesterday michaelsc was trying to shortstack against some fish on a ring table and asked for heads up, to which I of course told him that if he wanted a heads up match that he could move the game to a heads up table (the fish clearly did not want heads up and continued to play as the game filled up and chatted it up with the players). At that point he said "ok well maybe i will start talking about how you opened up a second account on cake."

I had never heard this before but I just want to make sure it's not a rumor other people are hearing. I've only played on one account ever on Cake, and I haven't played there in at least 1.5 years (I know I didn't play there in 2010, as I didn't have to file an FBAR, I believe I quit playing there early 2009). I'm not even sure there would be much of an advantage as you can change names, I guess people's notes wouldn't follow you? Anyways this was totally out of the blue to me so I wanted to make sure it's clear I have only played on my account on Cake, and if people are further curious I'm happy to give a Cake rep on here permission to look into it.
I'd consider myself about as "in the know" as anyone when it comes to cake stuff (esp. 1.5 yrs ago) and I had never heard of anything about this. I wouldn't worry about it.
03-04-2011 , 03:36 PM
What is with people on FTP lately asking for HU at 6m tables? It's literally never ok.
03-04-2011 , 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Bigfoot
I need some recommendations for a restaurant in Vegas and I know a lot of HSNL posters are into great food. It will be for my GFs birthday so obviously ambiance is an issue and not just great food. It will be for the two of us and also on a weekday night (so I'm guessing getting in most places won't be a problem).
PICASSOS AT THE BELAGIO CANT G WRONG IF WARM SIT ON PATIO
03-04-2011 , 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Green Plastic
who is michaelsc (haven't seen him post here)? what a dick. jesus.
pretty sure he's a PLO SS'er who's made vids for DC
03-04-2011 , 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by viffer
PICASSOS AT THE BELAGIO CANT G WRONG IF WARM SIT ON PATIO
Picasso is my favorite restaurant =)
03-04-2011 , 10:39 PM
Just sent this email to Stars. I'd appreciate it if others would do the same

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Something has to be done about all the sitting out at 50/100 NL.

Right now there are 10 tables (no more will spawn, special daniels room tables or whatever)

Each table has 5 players sitting out at it. I can either sit, in which case no game will ever start because they won't play without a big fish in the game, or I can get left out of any game a fish does decide to sit in because 5 sits are locked up in advance.


My suggestion would be to add a time limit to sitting out at tables. There is a limit in place now, but only if 3+ players are playing. A time limit needs to be added for tables where no hands are being dealt.


-Please forward this to someone that has a say in the matter
-Justin Bonomo
03-04-2011 , 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Ansky
What is with people on FTP lately asking for HU at 6m tables? It's literally never ok.
I thought it was okay if it's the ante tables? Idk i could be wrong, but if they both want HU at an ante table it's alright imo.

sucks tho cuz when fish sit they dont ask for hu lol
03-05-2011 , 11:34 AM
hey a suggestion here, if more then 3 (?) people sit out at a 6max table , the table gets auto closed. Obviously more stuff needs to happen, but at least this will make it less obvious. And it is pretty rare that 4 people will sit out in a 6max game for random reasons right?
03-05-2011 , 12:59 PM
Charlie Sheen: Winning Ways? on MSNBC at noon est.

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03-05-2011 , 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by chipchip
hey a suggestion here, if more then 3 (?) people sit out at a 6max table , the table gets auto closed. Obviously more stuff needs to happen, but at least this will make it less obvious. And it is pretty rare that 4 people will sit out in a 6max game for random reasons right?
Huh? The obv solution is to just boot someone from the table if they sit out for more than some set amount of time.
03-05-2011 , 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by tommyhawkers
I thought it was okay if it's the ante tables? Idk i could be wrong, but if they both want HU at an ante table it's alright imo.

sucks tho cuz when fish sit they dont ask for hu lol
I think the last sentence, says everything.
03-05-2011 , 07:05 PM
i dont think that, comma makes any, sense.
03-05-2011 , 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Ansky
I think the last sentence, says everything.
to play devils advocate here maybe its good to have 2 people playing hu at a 6 max table where they will only play if a fish sits. they want to play hu but they'll play with 3-6 if the game will end up being playable.

sounds like no game would be running otherwise, and gives a weak player the opportunity to play (which would instantly lead to the game filling anyway so its not like the two guys get to keep the fish to themselves).

i've only done this at ante when the other person wanted hu and was usually too tilted to just sit at a hu table though.

i think the mai reason its annoying is because you can't just join every 6 max table in the lobby its like are you guys playing hu not playing hu whats the deal and they've never played like 100 hands or something they've usually played like 30.
03-05-2011 , 09:46 PM
Hey guys just curious does the $2 mil run that X-Wink is on out of no where on full tilt exonerate him or raise more suspicion now that he is doing it another site in this fashion? I assume its the same guy from UB/Absolute. I was reading the old thread where several reputable posters felt something was fishy when playing him and they thought he was some type of superuser. A segment of people where convinced that he could not see holecards, but in some manner might be able to see the cards that were coming. I'm not looking to bring NVG into HSNL but I wanted to see what people think of this who actually played against him now that he is on this absurd run at FT.
03-05-2011 , 09:50 PM
Just seemed to be worth mentioning given that several reputable people thought something was up and he has been crushing for a huge number right off the bat at FT as well. Or does make it likley that he is just somehow he is just on a truley insane and perhaps some of the unorthordox stuff is more effective than people initially thought?
03-05-2011 , 11:07 PM
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03-05-2011 , 11:32 PM
xwink is on a 2M heater on ftp? if so thats crazy i have played him in hu 100 and 200 plo sngs as recent as a month ago and thought he was v bad

i would be at least a bit paranoid if playing him and assume there was a nonzero chance he was some elite hacker who worked out something in the network/servers

i mean maybe he is just sicko degen and it is very easy to run it up massive and go on easy heater at hu plo, but still nothing would surprise me when it came to owning computer networks

Last edited by snagglepuss; 03-05-2011 at 11:37 PM.
03-06-2011 , 12:04 AM
x-wink/x-blink won all his money before 2 + 2 accused him of cheating and before PTR even tracked PLO on UB. PTR then found out about the weak encryption on UB which led to them being able to see hole cards. Supposedly UB has fixed this.

IMO, blink cheated/exploited the software on UB and then stopped once the witch hunt stuff started on 2 + 2. He then cashed out all his maneys and then started to play like 5-10 and 3-6 and stuff where he "lost" a lot and was like "hey guys look, see!!! i can lose lots ! my winrate sucks i'm just lucky!". PTR can confirm this.

It's pretty sick how he can go from "let's move up, 100200 is too boring, must play 200/400 +" to playing mid/lowstakes once his name had been redflagged and the software was fixed. it's just a really weird.

Hopefully he isn't able to cheat on FTP because that would be pretty bad news.

/paranoid biased rant. (lost some $$$ to him on UB obv)

fwiw, I don't think he is cheating on FTP and i think i'd play him NL HU.... but anything is possible i guess.
03-06-2011 , 12:25 AM
The guy is either the black swan of god moding for an absurd number of hands or he's a cheat. I played him a ton on ub and he's the only person Ive ever played where I thought something was not right.
03-06-2011 , 12:34 AM
Yah I kinda feel weird bringing it up because I have no first hand knowledge of anything really and don't want to be the type of person going around making baseless accusations of the internet. But yes, the high stakes thread has been blowing up on NVG. High stakes poker DB had up 1.2 mil as of 2:30 on friday so I dont know how accurate the two mil figure is but that is the number being thrown around. He has been playing anyone and everyone it seems at PLO and he also played 2k/4k LHE and won I believe. He's currently playing Ivey and CTS right now at PLO. Doesn't seem to game select much and is just killing it.

Anyway we all know HU PLO is an insane game and heaters and downswings can be insane in both directions. All I am saying is that if people who actually have experience with him thought he was very likley cheating somehow before a UB software update and then a guy XWINK shows up FTP and wins 2 mil on an insane heater over like a 2-3 day span playing the best specialists in the world it should be taken seriously imo. And again that is not to make any sort of premature accusation, there seemed to be some decent evidence to support him not being a super user as well.

And if he really was some sort of hacker who was cheating it we be crazy for him to make this nick on FT and then just destroy like this. So obviously that's something to consider as well. But regardless I just thought it was worth mentioning here to see what people thought of this. Can't be too careful these days and a lot of people seemed to think something was fishy.

BTW, also literally as I am typing this he dropped 160k really fast to Ivey @ 500/1k Cap PLO. Sits out and asks him to 4 table. Ivey says no and he'll do two. X wink asks to play non cap and its on right now. Actually just lost a good chunk to him i think and bounced and said he would take it back tommorow.

Last edited by ggbman; 03-06-2011 at 12:53 AM. Reason: Update.
03-06-2011 , 01:11 AM
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Originally Posted by tcorbin16
x-wink/x-blink won all his money before 2 + 2 accused him of cheating and before PTR even tracked PLO on UB. PTR then found out about the weak encryption on UB which led to them being able to see hole cards. Supposedly UB has fixed this.

IMO, blink cheated/exploited the software on UB and then stopped once the witch hunt stuff started on 2 + 2. He then cashed out all his maneys and then started to play like 5-10 and 3-6 and stuff where he "lost" a lot and was like "hey guys look, see!!! i can lose lots ! my winrate sucks i'm just lucky!". PTR can confirm this.

It's pretty sick how he can go from "let's move up, 100200 is too boring, must play 200/400 +" to playing mid/lowstakes once his name had been redflagged and the software was fixed. it's just a really weird.

Hopefully he isn't able to cheat on FTP because that would be pretty bad news.

/paranoid biased rant. (lost some $$$ to him on UB obv)

fwiw, I don't think he is cheating on FTP and i think i'd play him NL HU.... but anything is possible i guess.
I don't think he ever cheated. I played him a decent amount and had action of someone who played him a ton. He certainly didn't cheat by seeing opponents hole cards. He ran absurdly over EV in all ins and in setups from what I watched.
03-06-2011 , 02:17 AM
I think it's likely he didn't cheat 100% the time and I think it's likely that when he did cheat it was some way of knowing what cards were coming. The times he would do something insane were the times he just happened to backdoor into 2pair or some other weird hand.

I played him for like 17k hands or so.

Maybe he just ran in insane god mode for an extended period of time but he also did lots of weird stuff like logging in and out of ub throught the matches, switching tables constantly, and other weird stalling and chat behavior. Obv nothing is conclusive and I'm probably biased since I lost like 150k+ to him but I've lost more than that to other people without feeling cheated. This guy was the only guy I felt that way against. Obv it's also conspiracy theoryish to suggest many of the things in this post without having a smoking gun to point to, but while we have our conspiracy theory hat on I might as well point out that it's not unreasonable for a cheater to mask his play either explicity or by turning on the cheating at various intervals or vs different people.

I don't blame anyone for thinking I'm FOS because i could see how from the outside it looks like I'm blaming my losses on cheating but I've been around the block enough and won/lost enough to feel pretty strongly about this particular case, and this is the only case I've had in a few mil hands where I felt something isn't right

Unfortunately we will likely never know.
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