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09-18-2010 , 11:31 AM
Opponent is loose player, who limps buttons quite much. I have made 4 successful stabs on flops in limped pots on BB ( he folded ), once he called with bottom pair and overcard, and checked it down.

Is this snapfold ?
What about checkingn turn ?

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, 34.5 Tournament, 30/60 Blinds (2 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB (t1085)
Hero (BB) (t1915)

Hero's M: 21.28

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7, 8
SB calls t30, Hero checks

Flop: (t120) 6, 6, 4 (2 players)
Hero bets t75, SB calls t75

Turn: (t270) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets t180, SB raises to t950 (All-In)
09-18-2010 , 12:58 PM
nh if you fold.

turn bet is a must imo. lots of worse hands in his range which are calling
09-18-2010 , 01:47 PM
If I am betting against someone maintaining a +25% roi at 6$ turbos over 1500 games for 2 months. What kind of odds should I get?
09-18-2010 , 03:16 PM
Blegh after 2 hours of play in first round I am out:

He was pbb 3betting like 35%

During current Hold'em 1on1 session you were dealt 402 hands and saw flop, wtf

Poker Stars $500+$30 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t100/t200 Blinds - 2 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Hero (BTN/SB): t7929 39.65 BBs
BB: t7071 35.35 BBs

Pre Flop: (t300) Hero is BTN/SB with A 8
Hero raises to t400, BB raises to t874, Hero raises to t7929 all in, BB calls t6197 all in

Flop: (t14142) T 9 J (2 players - 2 are all in)

Turn: (t14142) 9 (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: (t14142) 2 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: t14142
Hero shows A 8 (a pair of Nines)
BB shows T A (two pair, Tens and Nines)
BB wins t14142


folding is : EV 0

(AT+,KQ,88+ calling range)

Shoving and get called is:
If I shove I lose: 0.7 * 6200 = -4340
If I shove I win :0.30 * 7000= +2100

And he calls after he 3bet: 9% of 30% = 30%
So 30% of the time I : -2240
And 70% of the time: +1274

EV of shoving: -672 + 892 = +220

Is my math method right or....?
09-18-2010 , 03:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nederlander
Blegh after 2 hours of play in first round I am out:

He was pbb 3betting like 35%

During current Hold'em 1on1 session you were dealt 402 hands and saw flop, wtf

Poker Stars $500+$30 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t100/t200 Blinds - 2 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Hero (BTN/SB): t7929 39.65 BBs
BB: t7071 35.35 BBs

Pre Flop: (t300) Hero is BTN/SB with A 8
Hero raises to t400, BB raises to t874, Hero raises to t7929 all in, BB calls t6197 all in

Flop: (t14142) T 9 J (2 players - 2 are all in)

Turn: (t14142) 9 (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: (t14142) 2 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: t14142
Hero shows A 8 (a pair of Nines)
BB shows T A (two pair, Tens and Nines)
BB wins t14142


folding is : EV 0

(AT+,KQ,88+ calling range)

Shoving and get called is:
If I shove I lose: 0.7 * 6200 = -4340
If I shove I win :0.30 * 7000= +2100

And he calls after he 3bet: 9% of 30% = 30%
So 30% of the time I : -2240
And 70% of the time: +1274

EV of shoving: -672 + 892 = +220

Is my math method right or....?
So he 3bets 35% but calls only top 10%? I think it's a jam w ATC
09-18-2010 , 03:53 PM
It was pbb only my 2nd shove in that level iirc, but is my math okay (A)?
prolly not...
09-18-2010 , 04:47 PM
no idea, I used insane steve's calculator
09-18-2010 , 04:51 PM
what is that?
09-18-2010 , 04:58 PM
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/58...ulator-662586/

The newest version (AFAIK) is 2.1, it's buried somewhere in the thread. It has 3bet shoving math. Original version doesn't so it's useless for me. It's like a poor man's SNGwiz
09-19-2010 , 01:05 AM
Anyone got any good sources of info on donk betting in HU SNGs on the flop? Looking for help regarding both when I should and how to react when donk bet into. I feel like its something I'm definitely missing from my game.
09-19-2010 , 05:45 PM
look at the stickys there is a posting about playing oop.
always ask your self why to bet and what kind of bet you do(value,block,bluff,..)
09-20-2010 , 12:34 AM
This is a common spot, and a tough one for me. Villian hadn't been out of line much, except when he got short earlier and I felt he stole 2 pots from me on the turn to chip back up. I folded, despite having to only put 600 in the pot, because I felt I wouldn't get paid off on the river here by this villian if I hit my heart. I think if he had the 9, he would be shoving here, or betting much bigger. He was basically limping 78 56 97 type hands and so I believed he hit this board. With gutshot plus 1-to-flush, against a solid villian who prob isn't stacking off here with 1 or 2 pair, is a fold still just too nitty?



Poker Stars $2.00+$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t50/t100 Blinds - 2 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Hero (BB): t3615 36.15 BBs
BTN/SB: t2385 23.85 BBs

Pre Flop: (t150) Hero is BB with 7 A
BTN/SB calls t50, Hero checks

Flop: (t200) T J 7 (2 players)
Hero bets t100, BTN/SB calls t100

Turn: (t400) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets t300, BTN/SB raises to t900, Hero folds
09-20-2010 , 01:18 AM
I also have a general kinda question. I've incorporated shove-steals from the bb into my game when opp is raising 70%+ to 3x at 30/60 blinds and above. I'll do this with small pp's, sc's, and a5, a6, a7.

Example:

villian raises to 90.
Hero has 54s
Hero goes all in.

Is this ok, or terrible?

I get the folds I want, for the most part, but start to question it after opp calls me with 33 and stacks me or something.
09-20-2010 , 11:00 AM
if this has been asked please excuse - this thread is epic!

I don't have the br to play the min 25/50c HU ol.

Should I:

a - grind 6M forever and occasionally game create till I have the min 30bi req to play the game or should

b - deposit like 500 - 1000$ and start playing the 50nl games while studying vids on DC and posting here?

c - deposit 500 and take the other 500 and get a coach (is there anybody who could coach me for that low price)?

d - any other ideas would be much appreciated...
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09-20-2010 , 11:14 AM
how bad is this line? We handn't played that many hands yet and the only 'read' I had is that he called my 3bets light and that he often bets pot when he has a really good hand.


IPoker Network $20.00 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Hero (BB): $57.43
BTN/SB: $31.22

Pre Flop: ($0.30) Hero is BB with 9 8
BTN/SB raises to $0.60, Hero raises to $1.80, BTN/SB calls $1.20

Flop: ($3.60) 5 T J (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets $2.80, Hero calls $2.80

Turn: ($9.20) J (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets $4.20, Hero raises to $52.83
09-20-2010 , 11:17 AM
just bet flop yourself imo, tons of fold equity if he defends light vs 3bets
your crai on turn looks pretty awefull since you can end up being dead or as close to a decent amount of the time
09-20-2010 , 11:31 AM
first HU hand I post ever and spamz immediatly replies, woohoow. The Jd also is a bad bluffcard I suppose looking at it now, because now he's never folding a Jx and he could have been drawing to the flush which also hit.
09-20-2010 , 11:33 AM
nonsimplesimon, I would advice against getting a coach for NL50. There is tons of information out there for free or on training sites that should allow you to beat NL50. A coach is (in my opinion) mostly usefull on higher stakes if you feel like you have reached a stop in improvement on your own. If you can't beat NL50 yet there's tons of improvement you can make that you don't need a coach for. As for your other questions it all depends on how serious you take poker and how much money you can spend learning the game.
09-20-2010 , 12:30 PM
I am thinking about switching over to FT but have a few questions first.

When I tried to set up my account with rakeback I was told my rakeback would kick in after I made my first deposit. I do not want to deposit anything but was wondering if rakeback would still work if I got someone to transfer to me.

Also, how differently do the HU sng turbos play than the Stars' ones. I looked at the structure and I feel like they might be too fast for me (25/50 level in 6 minutes compared to 10mins on Stars)

Thanks for the help. And mods feel free to move this to beginner's questions if it should be there instead.
09-20-2010 , 12:48 PM
I transferred my money from stars to tilt and have rakeback, no problem.

Think the fulltilt reg speeds are as fast as the stars turbo, so just play the reg speeds if turbo's are to fast.
09-20-2010 , 12:52 PM
Yeah but then rake is a higher percent of my buy-in which will negatively affect my roi and hourly, right?
09-20-2010 , 02:58 PM
The hourly thing is technically true, but it's by such a small margin you should not worry about it and should focus more on your potential earnings in each structure.

If you were paying 10% rake versus 5% rake it would mean a lot more.
09-20-2010 , 03:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by strongguy
As for your other questions it all depends on how serious you take poker and how much money you can spend learning the game.
Hey man - thanks so much for the input. I just temporarily got a membership - one month - at DC just to try it out. I've already started to dig into the pr1 and dogHU series where I've been taking notes and really dissecting those vids. Poker is my main hobby right now - and I am a slight winner at ol-LHE of which I've been playing for the last few years. But I'm only really rolled for those micro limit games which is why I was thinking of throwing some dough into my ftp account and give it a shot. I'll have 1500 dollars after I sell some musical equipment that I can load in there at ftp (and I've got rakeback with them so that's cool too). It sounds like this is what I should do. . . ty again for the help and advice.
09-20-2010 , 03:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by nonsimplesimon
Hey man - thanks so much for the input. I just temporarily got a membership - one month - at DC just to try it out. I've already started to dig into the pr1 and dogHU series where I've been taking notes and really dissecting those vids. Poker is my main hobby right now - and I am a slight winner at ol-LHE of which I've been playing for the last few years. But I'm only really rolled for those micro limit games which is why I was thinking of throwing some dough into my ftp account and give it a shot. I'll have 1500 dollars after I sell some musical equipment that I can load in there at ftp (and I've got rakeback with them so that's cool too). It sounds like this is what I should do. . . ty again for the help and advice.
Not trying to upset you or so but all this sounds to me way too optimistic.
few years ... still micro says to me that your skill lvl is probably not high enough
selling ... says to me that you really do not have alot of money just laying around

Why don't you play a little more at the limits your playing and incorporate the things you have learned from your subscription; sees how it goes and then decide how to go further?
Did you already read all stickies, all posts/threads of all the good posters in the format you are playing?
09-21-2010 , 03:24 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Doggg
I also have a general kinda question. I've incorporated shove-steals from the bb into my game when opp is raising 70%+ to 3x at 30/60 blinds and above. I'll do this with small pp's, sc's, and a5, a6, a7.

Example:

villian raises to 90.
Hero has 54s
Hero goes all in.

Is this ok, or terrible?

I get the folds I want, for the most part, but start to question it after opp calls me with 33 and stacks me or something.



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