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So I've been playing 10$ HUSNGs for some time now. Today I reached my goal, 500$/25 BIs, which was my requirement for the 20$ HUSNGs. But, I lost the first 20$ HUSNG, so what do you do know? Do you play 10 HUSNGs again until you're at 500$ again, or do you play 20$ until you've lost like 2-3 BI of that?

Eh? So you take a one buy in shot at next level? Not a good strategy. Wait until $600 then take a 5 buy in shot.

09-05-2010 , 12:08 PM

#5052

Mr Ace

journeyman

Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 219

What means "PSB" I think SB means small blind. but what means the P? Protect maybe?

09-05-2010 , 12:15 PM

#5053

Air-Bear

old hand

Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 1,983

Pot sized bet.

There's a post somewhere containing all the abbrevations, but I don't know where.

09-05-2010 , 12:40 PM

#5054

mdamsgaard

grinder

Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 444

Quote:

Originally Posted by clyro

Eh? So you take a one buy in shot at next level? Not a good strategy. Wait until $600 then take a 5 buy in shot.

But right now I'm beating the 10$ husngs for like 8-9% ROI, I just got really unlucky in the 3 20$ games I played today. So wouldn't it be more profitable to just take 2-3 shots when I'm at 500$?

09-05-2010 , 12:56 PM

#5055

clyro

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 3,769

Quote:

Originally Posted by mdamsgaard

But right now I'm beating the 10$ husngs for like 8-9% ROI, I just got really unlucky in the 3 20$ games I played today. So wouldn't it be more profitable to just take 2-3 shots when I'm at 500$?

Maybe you're playing differently when taking a shot at the $20s knowing you'll have to go back to 10s if you lose two in a row. I think you should wait until you can take a $100 shot. Just my 2 cents

09-05-2010 , 12:59 PM

#5056

Air-Bear

old hand

Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 1,983

Quote:

Originally Posted by mdamsgaard

If you're taking shots, just reserve a couple of buy-ins you're willing to lose and keep playing till you lost that amount. You could for example keep playing till you drop below $450.

That can become frustrating though, and if you get sucked out on you might want to keep playing $20's "cause you know you can beat them". So you have to be strict in this, unless you know you can control yourselve well.

09-05-2010 , 01:08 PM

#5057

JSpazz

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 6,694

Quote:

Originally Posted by mdamsgaard

I'd just play 10s until I hit 500 again, shouldn't be too hard. If you take a big shot, you might feel like scared money, esp if you stayed at the same level for a length of time. Playing lower games below a point and higher above it should make you somewhat used to playing bigger games w/o involving a downswing (if you lose, you'll just tend to hover around the $500 point on your roll)

09-05-2010 , 01:49 PM

#5058

mdamsgaard

grinder

Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 444

So when I drop from 500 to 480, I should play 10$ to I'm at 500 again, and be doing this until I win the 20$ and begin having something above the 500$?

09-05-2010 , 01:57 PM

#5059

clyro

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 3,769

Bad way to go about it imo but each to their own. You may come across a complete drooler who gets lucky vs you and wants to rematch but you know you're better and could end up losing a few more buyins

09-05-2010 , 02:00 PM

#5060

mdamsgaard

grinder

Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 444

It's just, people say there's no big difference in the 20$ and the 10$, and I think doing it this way, I'll get to the 20$ quicker, which would be more profitable, than first grind up to 600$ and then start doing it there.

09-05-2010 , 02:09 PM

#5061

clyro

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 3,769

Fair enough. Good luck but you're gonna get pissed off if you keep having to move down to the 10s with a one buyin shot. Hope you have discipline

09-06-2010 , 05:59 AM

#5062

Mr Ace

journeyman

Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 219

Quote:

Originally Posted by mdamsgaard

I remember when I played Six max when I moved from NL2-NL5 peoplesaid there is no difference between these stakes. They said it also when I moved from NL5-10 And also when I moved to NL25.
But there is a very big difference between NL25 and NL2.

09-06-2010 , 07:02 AM

#5063

ennes

centurion

Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 124

There's always a slightly worse fish/reg ratio when moving up, plus the regs are a bit better in general. But yeah, you probably won't notice a remarkable difference unless you skip a stake like $5 to $20.

09-06-2010 , 07:22 AM

#5064

keyroy

centurion

Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 165

What kind of samplesize do u guys think is relevant at $6 husngs, iv played around 250 so far is that a decent sample size or not?

09-06-2010 , 08:11 AM

#5065

ennes

centurion

Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 124

Not too relevant in my short experience. When I had played 160 sngs my roi was 5% and then I played 4 matches of which i won 3 and my roi jumped up to 7%. I guess it becomes more stable around 500 matches but then again we have our old friend variance to take into account.

09-06-2010 , 09:14 AM

#5066

keyroy

centurion

Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 165

Right thanks man, I thought it was a bit small noticed my roi jumpin up or down quite a bit from game 2 game.

09-06-2010 , 10:32 AM

#5067

ennes

centurion

Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 124

Mm. I just experienced my roi going down from 7.5% to 0.6% in 20 games (223 total games played). Not interested in doing the math right now but I withdraw my previous statement, you prob. need at least 1k games. Could someone more experienced chime in?

09-06-2010 , 11:00 AM

#5068

Air-Bear

old hand

Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 1,983

The best way to handle this is to calculate a confidence interval. That way you can say there is an x% chance (for example 90) that my true roi is situated between y and z (for example 4% and 12%). I'm sure that there are tools online to calculate that.

09-06-2010 , 11:21 AM

#5069

keyroy

centurion

Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 165

Ok thanks for the info guys, my roi has stayed between 12 and 20 since I started realy trackin at 50 games so I do think I have an edge, felt like I ran like real **** for the 1st half nd have ran hot for the 2nd half but obv i won't make any assumptions until I get a bigger sample size

09-06-2010 , 11:42 AM

#5070

Gareth Bale

newbie

Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 39

Hi, winning player at $5-$20 hu sngs over a decent sample size. Starting again with a new bankroll - $1k. What do people suggest on bankroll management, also could anyone point me in the direction of some good posts re 3betting in HU sngs. TY in advance.

09-06-2010 , 11:49 AM

#5071

vittoleon

adept

Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 705

My plan in the near future is to focus on HU play. Im now training HUSNG's and building my roll to be save for NL50 HU. I know its probably a bit hard to compare but what HUSNG BI level comes closest to the average NL50 level of play?

09-06-2010 , 12:11 PM

#5072

Brokerstar

grinder

Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 507

Quote:

Originally Posted by vittoleon

I'm actually not 100% sure which is the closest in terms of skill level to be honest but $20 - $50 HUSNG's are full of fish with some regs grinding them too which I'm sure is the same for NL50?

09-06-2010 , 12:30 PM

#5073

ChicagoRy

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 20,589

I'd guess $50-100s in terms of bankroll.

Players at 50NL aren't probably good, but last time I checked, 100-200NL was full of regs at tables, so I would expect at least some marginal grinders that will likely refuse you action at those stakes.

09-06-2010 , 06:29 PM

#5074

Quimp

adept

Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,130

River nit again wondering if I should vbet the river. Sorry for not being able to provide info on villain (can't find the HH anymore)...

Full Tilt Poker $5 + $0.25 Heads Up No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 2 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Hero (BTN/SB): t1290 64.50 BBs
BB: t1710 85.50 BBs

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is BTN/SB with A

Hero raises to t60, BB calls t40

Flop: (t120) 2

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t80, BB calls t80

Turn: (t280) 6

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t200, BB calls t200

River: (t680) 9

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

What if there were only 2 hearts on the board?

09-06-2010 , 06:49 PM

#5075

zuk1

adept

Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 744

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Ace

That's kind of different though, because the fish at nl25 prob aren't much better than fish at nl2-10 however there are much more regs at nl25 and they are more solid.

A fish HUSNG player at $10 won't be too much different than a fish at $30 I don't think.

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