I don't think it's that complex after looking at the hands we are targeting. BB's gutshots turn into 0EV continues vs a B25 Donk.

If you know you know

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NL Holdem 2(BB)
HERO ($209.85) [VPIP: 29% | PFR: 24.2% | AGG: 36.6% | Flop Agg: 41.5% | Turn Agg: 33.9% | River Agg: 37.2% | 3Bet: 11.5% | 4Bet: 14.1% | Cold Call: 9.2% | Hands: 322785]
CO ($176.16) [VPIP: 35.7% | PFR: 21.4% | AGG: 42.9% | Hands: 15]
BTN ($183) [VPIP: 25% | PFR: 25% | AGG: 75% | Flop Agg: 100% | Turn Agg: 0% | River Agg: 100% | 3Bet: 0% | 4Bet: 0% | Hands: 8]
SB ($207) [VPIP: 60% | PFR: 40% | AGG: 40% | Hands: 5]

Dealt to Hero: 3 K

CO Folds, BTN Raises To $4, SB Folds, HERO Calls $2

Hero SPR on Flop: [19.89 effective]
Flop ($9): 7 T 3
HERO Checks, BTN Bets $6 (Rem. Stack: $173), HERO Calls $6 (Rem. Stack: $199.85)

Turn ($21): 7 T 3 3
HERO Bets $6.58 (Rem. Stack: $193.27), BTN Calls $6.58 (Rem. Stack: $166.42)

River ($34.16): 7 T 3 3 6
HERO Bets $24.34 (Rem. Stack: $168.93), BTN Raises To $166.42 (allin), HERO Calls $142.08 (Rem. Stack: $26.85)

Yeah it makes sense when you think about it. Solver output always makes sense after you think about it.

But without studying the spot, it is easy to autopilot and think, oh this board has AK, this is not my flop, I'm not supposed to donk.

DDP would you offer Paisting free coaching

Why would you want to turn the biggest 888 whale into a profitable player? You'd destroy the whole microstakes economy.

Good turn exploit in 3bp that didn't work but data likes it, vs better regs we need to merge more value and bluff less.

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NL Holdem 2(BB)
HERO ($203) [VPIP: 29% | PFR: 24.2% | AGG: 36.6% | Flop Agg: 41.5% | Turn Agg: 33.9% | River Agg: 37.2% | 3Bet: 11.5% | 4Bet: 14.1% | Hands: 322883]
BTN ($227.25) [VPIP: 33.9% | PFR: 25.4% | AGG: 17.6% | Hands: 60]
SB ($204) [VPIP: 46.7% | PFR: 46.7% | AGG: 55.6% | Flop Agg: 66.7% | Turn Agg: 33.3% | River Agg: 66.7% | 3Bet: 28.6% | Fold to 3Bet: 100% | 4Bet: 0% | Hands: 15]
BB ($200) [VPIP: 36.2% | PFR: 27.7% | AGG: 40% | Flop Agg: 33.3% | Turn Agg: 42.9% | River Agg: 50% | 3Bet: 13.6% | 4Bet: 0% | Cold Call: 15.4% | Hands: 48]
HJ ($203.45) [VPIP: 16.7% | PFR: 16.7% | AGG: 0% | Hands: 13]

Dealt to Hero: 6 6

HJ Folds, HERO Raises To $4, BTN Folds, SB Raises To $20, BB Calls $18, HERO Calls $16

Hero SPR on Flop: [3 effective]
Flop ($60): 5 K 4
SB Bets $10.26 (Rem. Stack: $173.74), BB Calls $10.26 (Rem. Stack: $169.74), HERO Calls $10.26 (Rem. Stack: $172.74)

Turn ($90.78): 5 K 4 T
SB Bets $28.97 (Rem. Stack: $144.77), BB Folds, HERO Raises To $68.42 (Rem. Stack: $104.32), SB Calls $39.45 (Rem. Stack: $105.32)

River ($227.62): 5 K 4 T 8
SB Checks, HERO Checks

data doesn't like jamming river here? if I'd take this line I'd def jam this river

although I suppose we do win vs AQo with a club that might play like that

0EV spot unlocked, better luck next time

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NL Holdem 2(BB)
HERO ($200) [VPIP: 29% | PFR: 24.2% | AGG: 36.6% | Flop Agg: 41.5% | Turn Agg: 33.9% | River Agg: 37.2% | 3Bet: 11.5% | 4Bet: 14.1% | Hands: 323013]
BB ($470.99) [VPIP: 37.5% | PFR: 27.5% | AGG: 33.3% | Flop Agg: 44.4% | Turn Agg: 22.2% | River Agg: 33.3% | 3Bet: 17.6% | 4Bet: 0% | Cold Call: 21.1% | Hands: 41]
UTG ($200) [VPIP: 17.6% | PFR: 11.8% | AGG: 40% | Hands: 17]
HJ ($254.65) [VPIP: 35.9% | PFR: 25.6% | AGG: 69.2% | Hands: 41]
CO ($202) [VPIP: 18.2% | PFR: 18.2% | AGG: 0% | Hands: 11]
BTN ($486.41) [VPIP: 28.2% | PFR: 23.1% | AGG: 41.2% | Hands: 41]

Dealt to Hero: Q J

UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Folds, BTN Folds, HERO Raises To $6, BB Calls $4

Hero SPR on Flop: [16.17 effective]
Flop ($12): 8 7 T
HERO Checks, BB Bets $3.60 (Rem. Stack: $461.39), HERO Raises To $12.90 (Rem. Stack: $181.10), BB Calls $9.30 (Rem. Stack: $452.09)

Turn ($37.80): 8 7 T A
HERO Bets $11.85 (Rem. Stack: $169.25), BB Calls $11.85 (Rem. Stack: $440.24)

River ($61.50): 8 7 T A 6
HERO Bets $39.15 (Rem. Stack: $130.10), BB Calls $39.15 (Rem. Stack: $401.09)

Don't have data on river. I do beat some hands and turn is overfolded so I don't mind my play. Usually if turn is overfolded then river bluffs won't be as good.

He would still be a whale afterward, and you would have access to the thought process of a whale, which can probably be worth a lot of $.

2 Collusion Reg's get wrecked.

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NL Holdem 2(BB)
HERO ($200) [VPIP: 29% | PFR: 24.2% | AGG: 36.6% | Hands: 323110]
BTN ($313.90) [VPIP: 25% | PFR: 17.9% | AGG: 16.7% | Flop Agg: 0% | Turn Agg: 0% | River Agg: 50% | 3Bet: 15.4% | 4Bet: 0% | Cold Call: 13.3% | Hands: 28]
SB ($210.52) [VPIP: 25.8% | PFR: 25.8% | AGG: 75% | Hands: 31]
BB ($266.12) [VPIP: 7.7% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 33.3% | Flop Agg: 0% | Turn Agg: 0% | River Agg: 100% | 3Bet: 0% | 4Bet: 0% | Cold Call: 12.5% | Hands: 13]
UTG ($224.21) [VPIP: 30% | PFR: 20% | AGG: 30.8% | Flop Agg: 16.7% | Turn Agg: 50% | River Agg: 33.3% | 3Bet: 0% | 4Bet: 100% | Hands: 31]
HJ ($236.83) [VPIP: 33.3% | PFR: 20% | AGG: 18.2% | Hands: 31]

Dealt to Hero: K 7

UTG Raises To $6, HJ Folds, HERO Folds, BTN Calls $6, SB Folds, BB Calls $4

Flop ($19): 9 4 2
BB Checks, UTG Checks, BTN Checks

Turn ($19): 9 4 2 2
BB Checks, UTG Bets $12 (Rem. Stack: $206.21), BTN Calls $12 (Rem. Stack: $295.90), BB Calls $12 (Rem. Stack: $248.12)

River ($55): 9 4 2 2 5
BB Checks, UTG Bets $38 (Rem. Stack: $168.21), BTN Calls $38 (Rem. Stack: $257.90), BB Raises To $248.12 (allin), UTG Folds, BTN Calls $210.12 (Rem. Stack: $47.78)



How to spot Collusion regs and what to do about it:

1. The 2 collusion regs will very likely be sitting right next to each other, look for them to always be in pots together.

2. The goal of them sitting next to each other is to make the 3rd player the monkey in the middle. If they are sitting next to each other one of them can bet/the mark will call/other collusion reg will raise. They attack perceived capped ranges OTR.

How do we exploit Collusion Regs?

1. Pay more attention at the tables and identify unorthodox play.

2. Check back stronger ranges OTF, they will punt check-raise OTR vs flop checks back and river calls.

3. Call your whole bluff catching range OTR if you are in a 3 way pot vs two players sitting next to each other and the other play is left to act. Then call your whole river calling range vs his XR.

4. Print!?

#2 wrecks detox monkeys, too.

Vs. most seemingly competent regs playing well vs flop bets/turn bets checking is really good. They just straight up spew.

Contrary to what most people believe, your winrate should be higher vs Collusion Regs not lower.

Example #1.

Are they sitting right next to each other? check

Did they both call flop? check

Did BB bet to make me monkey in the middle? Check

SNAP CALL RIVER.

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NL Holdem 2(BB)
HERO ($236.88) [VPIP: 29% | PFR: 24.2% | AGG: 36.6% | Flop Agg: 41.5% | Turn Agg: 33.9% | River Agg: 37.2% | 3Bet: 11.5% | 4Bet: 14.1% | Hands: 323141]
SB ($268.55) [VPIP: 25% | PFR: 18.8% | AGG: 42.9% | Flop Agg: 66.7% | Turn Agg: 0% | River Agg: 50% | 3Bet: 20% | 4Bet: 0% | Cold Call: 14.3% | Hands: 16]
BB ($404.18) [VPIP: 36.8% | PFR: 31.6% | AGG: 33.3% | Flop Agg: 50% | Turn Agg: 0% | River Agg: 50% | 3Bet: 0% | 4Bet: 0% | Cold Call: 10% | Hands: 19]
HJ ($440.75) [VPIP: 16.7% | PFR: 11.1% | AGG: 20% | Hands: 19]
CO ($204.12) [VPIP: 26.3% | PFR: 21.1% | AGG: 54.5% | Hands: 19]

Dealt to Hero: J Q

HJ Folds, CO Folds, HERO Raises To $5, SB Calls $4, BB Calls $3

Hero SPR on Flop: [15.46 effective]
Flop ($15): 6 K K
SB Checks, BB Checks, HERO Bets $3.56 (Rem. Stack: $228.32), SB Calls $3.56 (Rem. Stack: $259.99), BB Calls $3.56 (Rem. Stack: $395.62)

Turn ($25.68): 6 K K J
SB Checks, BB Checks, HERO Checks

River ($25.68): 6 K K J T
SB Checks, BB Bets $7 (Rem. Stack: $388.62), HERO Calls $7 (Rem. Stack: $221.32), SB Raises To $56 (Rem. Stack: $203.99), BB Folds, HERO Calls $49 (Rem. Stack: $172.32)

I have played the wildest hands vs these colluders, the wildest hands in over 15 yrs, they are 100% bots though, not actual players behind it, they do it every single time and don't adjust

had a hand not too long ago, they weren't next to each other but had ID'd them as bots, I raise AJo from CO, btn calls, bb calls, both bots, flop KKTr, checked around, turn K, checked around again, river A, bb checks, I b33, BTN calls, BB raises to like 12bbs, I call, BTN raises to 27bbs, bb raises to 53bbs, I call again, btn jams his 120bbs, bb folds I call

BTN shows up with A6o

Crazy hand.

Them being bots make more sense actually, when I called the hand OTR the one bot that bluffed immediately sat out after so maybe they table hop if they get caught.

Amazing if they are profitable though, they have one move and it's very obvious.

Nice! Doing the lord's work.

How do you identify them as bots? I can only tell the colluders based on the points you've mentioned and also their pre flop antics.

I don't think you can be 100% but there are some clues.

1. If they are always in pots together

2. Let's say it's BUvsSBvsBB and SB and BB are bots. SB will probably never bet out first OTR because then I close the action. So SB checking and BB betting is a tell.

3. SB calling range in general, most regs 3bet or fold preflop so if you see an SB call and then BB call your antennae should already be up that they may be colluding.

4. And then just unorthodox play, if it's clear you are capped in a spot then we need call vs the goofy XR in 3 way pots as a default, especially when the middle guy bets so they make sure you don't close the action.

What if it goes X-B-C-R-C instead of X-B-C-R-F?

That would be harder to play against for sure, I probably fold in game.

There will always be a learning curve vs these guys but they can't hide since we can always look up the hand after 24 hours.

I had another one where I was 200bb effective with SB and bb had 120bb, i raise As4x from btn, both calls, flop comes AxQsTs, checked around, turn 8s checked around, river 3s I think or anyway 4 card flush river and J9s was a straight flush, sb check, bb bets 66%, I just call to give em some rope, sb raise to 13.5bb, bb raise to 28bb, I call, sb raise to 53bb, bb jams to 120bb, I call again, and sb rejams his 200bb, I call

they both had **** all, well they didn't have any spade to block straight flush lol

lol awesome

Is this a feature of anon pools or common everywhere?

Presumably you could program pool scans into hand trackers like h2n, make something like an RTC: Reg to Colluder ratio

Wait, that's a stupid Q... they wouldn't know who they were :)

Seems like the logic is fairly simplistic.

Basically if the flop and turn are checked by the mark then bet and raise river in increments until both bots are all in. If the mark is all in then any remaining bots with money left fold.