Yeah, GPT4 is better.



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Hey just so you guys know who you are dealing with, look at what Brokenstars just asked me. The arrogance is just ridiculous. What a complete joke.

Needless to say he is blocked.

What an unbelievable antisocial behavior to public a chat someone wrote personally to you….

How embarrassing is that for you?

What a joke YOU ARE

Interesting take.

So you think it is a reasonable request to ask a fellow coach for his entire MDA and Coaching Curriculum for free?

Since we are a community I'd like to get other people's take on this as well.

He asked you a question (which was probably funny and not meant 100% seriously) and now you are trying to discredit him on this forum?

Who else in this forum is supposed to trust you if you publish private chats just because you feel like you're being taken for a ride?

Maybe he didnt know how much money you spend on the data and thought you are some kind of friends?

My guy didn’t even say please

Unless they are friends, this is reaching a lot

The classic, do something wrong and then palm it off as “just a joke bro”

We aren't friends, that is the first time I talked to him on discord in like over 2 years.

Also just got this post in my coaching listing, probably a coincidence right?

If I'm not mistaken, BS staked DDP or something like that. A few months (or years?) ago, BS posted saying he was trying to reach doodoo and this was the reason I believe. So, not necessarily friends, but there is a history between them I guess.

Anyway, the burden is on Broken to clarify this, as the messages he sent are out of line bordering the disrespectful. Although DDP posting it here is also out of line bordering disrespectful, so maybe disrespectful+disrespectful=fine?

Lmao. Prob shouldnt leak the dms bro.

Ddp vs bs hu4rollz?

I feel it. Lets make it happen. Lets make 2p2 great again.

no idea - but why do you really show only a 50k sample?
Why not show your whole graph?

I was going to ****ing use this after a few more posts. HU4rollz and stream it on twitch is the only solution

You spent $10k on the MDA? How does that work? Did you have to pay Metagame after you were accepted to actually get ownership of it?

I don't think I necessarily would've blasted bs in public just based on those DMs alone, but at the same time, the way he asked you would've really rubbed me the wrong way. I would be pissed too if an acquaintance I hadn't talked to directly in a long time messaged me out of the blue just to ask for something (and for free too), and especially so with such a glaring lack of courtesy

Definitely not ok. If you guys are not friends and don't even speak to each other on a frequent base, it makes no sense.

I would rather say some quite harsh words on what I think this behavior looks like, then ask him to gtfo of my discord and never come back again (and block), all this privately. Leaking dms is only reasonable in fraud and cheating cases, because these are actual serious and important matters. What you did was childish.

Leaking DMs is petty.

Perhaps he thought it'd be okay with the amount of MDA information you include in a lot of your posts.

It's tough to pass any further judgement without knowing more. Did you immediately block him after telling him you wouldn't give it to him for free, or did you tell him what you'd charge and allow him a chance to respond?

He'd look a whole lot worse if you said, "Sorry I can't just give it away for free. My prices are..." If he comes back and still says he wants it for free, then you have more of an argument in your favor.

But hopefully we don't get too sidetracked with this as I think this thread and updates are worth following.

Okay I don't want to get too sidetracked with this but the last thing I'll say is this:

1. We both play our main site as Ignition

2. We play similar stakes (he plays 500nl but I'm pretty sure he mixes in 200nl)

3. We both have the same price point for coaching.

I would be basically giving him free money in two revenue streams by giving him all my data. I not only coach the competition when I play but also his coaching services get better.

Okay hand of the day.

I need to get more data on this spot (XC50-Donk30-XR75) fish line. But I'm pretty sure the turn Donk30 is a tell that he is very weak and we should call all bluff catchers here.

Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD 2 Poker Tracking Software

NL Holdem 2(BB)
HERO ($200) [VPIP: 29% | PFR: 24.2% | AGG: 36.6% | Flop Agg: 41.5% | Turn Agg: 33.9% | River Agg: 37.2% | 3Bet: 11.5% | 4Bet: 14.1% | Hands: 325738]
SB ($222.15) [VPIP: 27% | PFR: 21.6% | AGG: 40% | Hands: 38]
BB ($208.45) [VPIP: 28.6% | PFR: 17.1% | AGG: 72.7% | Flop Agg: 66.7% | Turn Agg: 66.7% | River Agg: 100% | 3Bet: 6.3% | 4Bet: 0% | Cold Call: 23.5% | Hands: 37]
UTG ($251.29) [VPIP: 10.8% | PFR: 8.1% | AGG: 50% | Hands: 38]
HJ ($200) [VPIP: 23.7% | PFR: 18.4% | AGG: 7.7% | Hands: 38]
CO ($270.40) [VPIP: 41.7% | PFR: 36.1% | AGG: 63.2% | Hands: 38]

Dealt to Hero: J 5

UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Folds, HERO Raises To $5, SB Folds, BB Calls $3

Hero SPR on Flop: [17.73 effective]
Flop ($11): 4 J 3
BB Checks, HERO Bets $5.22 (Rem. Stack: $189.78), BB Calls $5.22 (Rem. Stack: $198.23)

Turn ($21.44): 4 J 3 8
BB Bets $6.19 (Rem. Stack: $192.04), HERO Calls $6.19 (Rem. Stack: $183.59)

River ($33.82): 4 J 3 8 Q
BB Checks, HERO Bets $24.10 (Rem. Stack: $159.49), BB Raises To $104.43 (Rem. Stack: $87.61), HERO Calls $80.33 (Rem. Stack: $79.16)

The only embarrassing thing is BS getting on his knees and begging for data someone spent significant time and money compiling. It's very poor etiquette and absolutely shameless behavior in general.

What I have shows basically all Donks follow a general trend with sizings. Smaller = weak (b75 or less) and larger = strength (greater than b75). It's so face up it seems unbelievable.

b75 can be weaker than b25 in some cases, however anything above b75 is looking more value driven.

Thanks swerbs!

That aligns with what I have as well. The river XR threw me off at first but I think the important data point is the turn donk sizing.

Yeah smaller donks tend to be weaker, but I think we would need to look at the whole picture as well.

Aren't river XR underbluffed?

I only have 4 hands in this line, but 3 of them were 2pr+ and all 3 used B50 or smaller OTT.

Interestingly enough, the one bluff (AQ) used B100 OTT.

Yeah, I did ask this. I should have been more tactful as I see it certainly rubbed you the wrong way. I did not expect you to give it to me. I recently got some hh and a new SSD and was going to do some MDA analysis on my own and mostly wanted to know how your stable had configured/structured/organized the data. That being said I also did not expect you to post here in under 24 hours and instantly block me without further communication.

I mean.... this isn't really your data, it is data that someone else compiled that you had access to from your previous CFP which you're no longer in. But, yeah the way I said it was bad. I was a bit busy last night and messaged you in between doing some things. But if you had just not blocked me or posted this I would have just said okay np, can I see how it was organized? I have a pretty good idea of what I want to do, but just wanted to compare with how someone else has organized/structured it.

Those recent posts have nothing to do with me and kind of annoyed you'd even insinuate I'd post **** on your listing as someone else.

Yes, so for some context in a sense I did/do feel like DDP owes me a bit because I did stake him/provide him with material/coaching/hh review and he ended up ghosting me for a couple months hence the post on 2+2 a while back: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/6...65/?highlight=

Now to clarify, if he just said no I'm not giving you this data or whatever that would be the end of it and I'd just have said okay and gl, I'm going to be working on my own MDA soon and maybe could I see how it's organized? And if he had said no again same thing, gl at the tables and see you on 2+2. But yeah that isn't what happened so here we are I guess.

But anyways... to provide additional insight on the staking--he asked if I knew anyone that was staking and I agreed I would stake him. I staked him for 1k which he lost and staked him another 1k... he'd keep getting bullets if he needed and I wasn't particularly concerned about whether or not he could beat the games especially if I offered my insights/assistance etc.



Well after a lot of communication for 6 months... me answering questions, reviewing hh, 1 on 1 coaching, etc. he ghosted me on discord/all platforms and I did not know what happened which is why I posted the 2+2 question asking where he was.



So, my last contact with him was in March of 2022 and posted the thread in June of 2022 which you can read through, but basically it was relatively misleading. Prior to this he had made back the money from being under EV and had a roll which he stated was 3800.

And... before anyone asks why it took so long for me to post on 2+2 or track him down it was around in february my mom was diagnosed with cancer and I was traveling to help her meet her appointments/take care of her/etc.



Anyways, after posting on 2+2 he quickly messaged me back and admitted he had lost the bankroll with sports betting, but did not want to admit it in the thread... which... I mean I was pretty disappointed, but I never posted anything about what he had done in the thread and simply kept it private.



Anyways... we came up with an agreement to pay me back the 2k and I received the last payment in February of 2023. Almost 2 years after having staked him I got the money back with no profit/interest etc. I was mostly just happy to have gotten my money back and I never treated him with animosity. I continued to answer questions and respond to his posts on 2+2. So, in the entirety, I did to some extent feel he owed me and that was why I had asked the question because I know he has all the MDA from his previous stable and I'm going to be doing some MDA here hopefully soon when I find the time.

Okay full derail, strategy time is over.

You can blame whoever you want. I might shut the thread down pretty soon since it's just way too exhausting dealing with this.

First of all, the whole 'I didn't expect you to give it to me" is bulls.hit.

You are basically free rolling me with this nonsense narrative. If I give it to you, you get free MDA. If I don't, you can just say yeah I didn't expect you to give it to me. It's a manipulation tactic that is really really obvious. The fact you would even ask is beyond poor taste/disrespectful.

As for the staking, yes I paid you back the money so what is the problem? Honestly I could of just said I lost it playing poker and you would have been none the wiser but I'm not like that and I paid you back $300 a time when I literally had no money.

You dmed me out of the blue when I haven't talked to you in over 2 years and just straight up ask for all my data. I tried to help you by saying yeah it's for my students/people actually pay for this data. You obviously didn't get the hint and then doubled down and asked again.

I would actually just prefer to have zero communication with you at all/you don't post in my thread I won't post in yours.

I don't know why we are doing this publicly to begin with. And you are right I should have been more tactful and you are also correct in the sense that if you did give it to me that would have been great. I still did not really expect you to give it to me, but thought you might show me how it was organized had the conversation continued rather than instant-block and attempt to publicly shame me on your thread...

You did pay me back the 2k and I'm grateful that you got your conscience back and paid it back, but the whole scenario was a bit weird:

2k stake --> 4k roll at one point --> ghosting for months --> pay back the 2k only in small incremental payments of $300 over a year while posting graphs of winning >$1k in the forums

I feel your response here *publicly* is quite a serious retaliation and was completely uncalled for when we only had like 4-5 lines of communication. Again, we could have so easily just resolved whatever animosity you're feeling towards me based on one question in private.