Thanks.

I finished up last night at just short of the $270 mark so at the moment things are moving pretty fast at NL25. Im running well and for the whole Im playing well and not doing anything too stupid. It also helps like was discussed yesterday that I have reads on some of the players at NL25 which has seen me pretty much go back to my natural game although Im pretty certain on I could push things a bit further Im hesitant to do that because the looser me can sometimes mean quite a bit of spewing and quite a bit of tilt and I dont want to go there.

One way or another a Queen hitting the board in 3bet pots is killing me.

Check/fold on the turn or check/call fine?



People just dont like getting their money in pre with Ak at these levels lol.

What a call. His hand isnt good enough to get in on the turn but good enough to call on the river in a spot I should never be bluffing lol




Need to go back to ABC it looks not a lot of point bluffing people who can not see further than their own 2 cards.

I dont need to start going back to that place. Need to keep stuff simple and cut out the crap like this.



This game is so frickin easy Im not sure why I try and complicate things. Like that hand is appaling, when a reg limp/calls pre and calls the flop they have a set or overpair 99.9% of the time. Dont try and get them to fold it, its pretty easy and pretty much common sense.

Down just over 2 buy ins for the day and a pretty poor start really because the losses are just through bluffing and is going back towards how I were playing at NL50 which is a style that just dosnt work for me with my tilt problems.

I would 3barrel the AJ on this board vs some players too. Imho they are able to fold the PPs and all draws ofc. and turn is such a great card for us.. bad luck that for him too in this case

This was the concern i had when you started over.

I did not see any real point in it because all it was doing was probably costing you time and money without actually addressing the issues as to why you did it in the first place.

The one thing it did do is show you that over aggression is not needed at $25nl and below and is probably more of a hindrance if anything.

That last hand showed you basically lost around 80bb and of which 60bb was just wasted .. thats 60bb !!, do that once every 1k hands and it takes 6bb off your win rate.

6bb is the difference between someone that grinding a small profit to someone that is doing really well.

I know we all like to triple barrel bluff because it makes us feel good ( apparently, because i would not know ) , but its just not needed at these stakes as far as i can see.

KK: Not folding

KJ: I think river sizing is a mistake when we're bluffing, I know the whole balancing aspect comes to light if I say I want to bet bigger here, but I rly do want to bet bigger here. All though his call is somewhat, yeah dunno rly, good or spew rofl.

AJ: River has to be the world's easiest check back ever. Literally all hands you fold by betting this river are the hands we have beat anyways, so betting his river achieves nothing and quite frankly, we do have SDV.

@Vrbik: Most if not all Pps that are not a set, fold to the turn barrel. We practically beat all draws in his range, and we hold the Ah so it's not like villain has all that many draws left anyways, I think river has to be a check back for w/e amount of SDV we have.

ps: I disagreed with like 2 of your posts:P but hope you know it's nothing personal or as if I am attacking you on purpose, I mean you Vrbik.

Spew is the devil. Exorcizing the devil is difficult though.

@Mzbourg disagree all you want, Im right, you are wrong. Only kidding, the world would be a pretty boring place if everyone agreed.

I should've addressed my post in a better manner:P I actually often agree with you haha, it was Vrbik I meant, I disagreed with like 2 or 3 of his last 4 posts and knowing these forums, people very quickly take things personal

Just another example of a hand why I feel I should keep it simple:-

Hand plays itself but villain looks reggy and still calls my 3bet with KJo. Obviously at the moment I am getting killed in 3bet pots.



A couple of buyins to the drop mark again.

hehe, i do not take it personal mate i always like to read more opinions

Glad to hear that

Again this is terrible. Why try and get someone to fold TP when nobody at this level can. He always has Qx when he bets the river.




People are playing their hands face up and I am paying them off. Now Im still not sure chasing thin edges is correct for me given how much I can spew.

That river raise in that last hand makes my eyes hurt.

Yep, I know his hand is face up and can basically tell you what his hand is and knowing that people cant fold TP I still try and get him to fold its pretty bad. Yes I rep nothing but it dosnt really matter as people cant fold anyway.

Just played a solid and won back a little bit just playing really basic poker which maybe is the way forward for me. Its ok reading peoples hands but it really dosnt help me that much as bluffs get snapped off with all sorts of junk.

Because 55 is the nuts on this flop and nice call on the river.

Mart, glad it is going well, you seem to be enjoying it @ 10nl and 25nl.
Maybe you should consider staying at these stakes for a certain amount of time to pad your roll and confidence.
I know you have set out a BR plan that is aggressive but a quick return to 50nl and spew may affect your mindset negatively.
Just my 2c.

Yeah tbh that would be the easy option because I can crush NL25 despite the spew and would make a bit of extra spending money but I really want to do well at poker and get better so eliminating a lot of that pure spew needs to be my goal rather than take the easy option.

Won most of it back from today now after just playing really straight forward again. I guess if it aint broke and all that.....




Villain is a reg and I suspect once he checks the flop it is to give up. He tanked and tanked on the river so really not sure on his range for checking the flop and folding the river. I dont for a minute think he is capable of laying down AK.




Was going to check.raise the turn but Whats his range and how much do we raise?

AKs: This would be the perfect river for a small bet when going for value, it's going to be hard to balance this so I wouldn't advocate doing this as a bluff, but what can possibly call a river bet here that's not Kx? Even 8x folds to that size. I think betting smaller here will get us more calls than betting bigger thus making us more money. I could be wrong though.

88: Looks like a fairly easy Bet bet decide on river what to do board. I am not liking the turn check, flop we can get so much value from draws, and A actually gives a bunch of his flushdraws now toppair, so we can still safely continue valuebetting, even vs Jx hands. I call river now. Don't think reraising get's called by worse.

88 hand - any stats on villain? It's a bizarre line. Any hand that raises river should be betting turn, apart from maybe 33. If villain is a reg, this is 33 or a busted flush draw. If villain is a fish, this could be all kinds of odd two-pair hands (J3 SOOTED?) or Ax thinking it successfully trapped you.

So make it $25. Fish ain't gonna fold a pair of aces or two pair, reg is polarised to hands that fold to any raise or hands that want to get it in. You're surely never behind here.

EDIT: I agree with Mzbourg that betting turn is better, but disagree that reraising river doesn't get called by worse.

With the Ak hand what range are you putting him on on the Turn?

With 88 I agree about the FD`s which was why I think its a card that when I check he is going to bet a lot and could call a raise. Obviously I could carry on betting but I never get the chance to stack him unless its a cooler but if for whatever reason he does have Ax he might call a raise some of the time and could river 2 pair or even call a bet with Ax.

I dont like the idea of just calling, he cant have AA really but JJ is possible, Im not sure he plays 55/88 like that but who knows and the same goes for 33 but what about AJ/AQ. I dont think we are beat that often on the river and think just calling misses value the times he does have a hand he can call with.

Villain is 12/9 after 33 hands.

It's hard to rly come up with a range in the AK hand, but say he has sets on the river, we want calls. This river size won't get calls by hardly anything but AK/Kx. I'm not sure if he even plays sets this way in the AK hand, but we are deep and he might be a nit so who knows.

In the 88 hand, I think if villain has a raise/fold range, getting called by worse will be difficult, but I guess for the off chance villain does have AJ/33 we should be raising, so yes, raise might be in order.

Loool that was you. Now I am avoiding you by all means.
Probably flatting your 4 bet was poor decision by me to be honest, I put you on a pretty strong range for cold 4 bet there, doubt even qq was possible, more like KK+. Called because it was sooooted (I know, I know I am a fish) and IP. Thought the Q on the turn was an action killer unless you had qq. Best of luck and please don't get your money back from me very quickly.

Ship the run good Stars. We see the flop we already know what the turn is bringing lol......

I guess at least I found someone willing to stack off with AK pre at this level.

By the way I am curious if roles were reversed in the KK - AK hand how would you play it? Fold pre, shove, flat? These spots seem to give me trouble, I much prefer folding than shoving, are there enough bluffs that fold to shove? Are we seeing enough PPs lower than KK? Against a seemingly decent opponent I mean of course, not a monkey clicking buttons.