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07-03-2012 , 12:41 AM
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Originally Posted by 11t
Listen as much as you hate your job, you'll hate being in a casino all the time more. I'd suggest that you really think about this,.gambling for a living is not a fun way to earn a pay check.

What industry and where? Your story is a bit unbelievable, no offense.
lol none taken, I understand it seems a bit cagy. I currently hate my job because basically there is no job for me here. Once we lost key several contracts, I was left to run a few basic admin jobs that can be completed in a day until 'things pick up'. Things are picking up, its been over 6 months and I nearly cant get out of bed in the morning.

We are in the maritime industry. I do have experience in another industry (logistics) that I worked in when I first got out of school. I have some contacts there, but the work is **** and the pay is bad. 2/5 seems a better option that 5am starts for $19 an hour hard labour. I wouldn be level entry, though I wouldnt be paid well at all.

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Originally Posted by AmazonPrime
Bunch of us that have spent at least 1000 hours in a casino are telling you that you don't want to be in a casino for 1000 hours for several good reasons.

Yes the grass seems quite green on our side, but it's actually mostly moss =).
Yeah I certainly understand and have heard it before. Several quotes like "its hard spending your life hanging around 8 people dumber than you" etc. I do feel however I have a decent natural tolerance for casinos. I really do enjoy them. I know this would 100% fade away being pro, but I just feel I would handle it better than most people.

Ive worked all my life since I was 18. The monday afer school finished I was working. I've never had time to sleep in, do extensive travel (I've had week long holidays in Vegas, Hawaii and Thailand) or just be a bum. I think I want to do that for some reason.

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Originally Posted by Shaffer
Is it possible, yes, if you're good, you'll make your rent and won't starve. Is it advisable, I'm tempted to say no, but also aware that that would make me a hypocrite as I allowed an engineering degree to start collecting dust when I was 28 and spent 3 years doing the online grind, and can't say I'm a worse person because of it, but in a lot of ways it's one of those "hard lesson" type things. If you have the skill set for a $100k/yr job at 24 ****ing years old then it's hard to imagine you'd be better off as a 2/5 grinder, it's kind of a ****ty life, the variance is truly like nothing you could ever imagine, and for most people, your social life will go into complete upheaval.

I have to say that I much prefer having a good job and being able to piss around in the higher stakes because of it. If you're making $100k a year you can fly out to Vegas a couple of times a year, play 5/10 or 10/20, or enter into a high buyin tournament or two, and if you've got some skill maybe hold your own. If you're playing 2/5 for a living then entering into a $100 buyin tournament will make you feel like a bit of a degen because you can't stop thinking about how many hours you had to grind at 2/5 to earn the buyin and your spreadsheet detailing your ROR will tell you the hourly rate doesn't justify the added sigma to your variance.

Nobody here is your mother and can tell you what not to do, but it's a lifestyle that's easy to glamorize but that doesn't actually have that much glamor to it once you start seeing preflop 3bet merge ranges in your sleep.
The variance thing scares me tbh. I dont think I've ever faced rough variance so I dont know how I would react. I am usually pretty balanced about it all, but hard variance seems to be a different beast all together.

Interesting point about the tournament buyin. I do play tournaments and believe I'm profitable in them. I wonder how I would treat them if I was grinding for $20 an hour. Interesting point that I'll give lots of thought too.

I would much prefer the job I am in now than playing poker for the living. The hours are great, the industry is great and competitive and its a good way to spend your time, however I feel I wont have that option come the end of the year. I have one other skill, and thats poker.
07-03-2012 , 12:44 AM
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Originally Posted by 1ns71nct
OMFG, all I wanted to do was with he ****ing one drop after work and all it does is freeze every ten ****ing seconds. I wish I had a stop sign and a baby right now.
Your not the only one, I stop watching it. Worse stream ever, idk if too many people are watching but since I woke up its been crap and tilting.
07-03-2012 , 12:46 AM
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Originally Posted by venice10
Well, that changes the equation a little bit. Given your age, you've probably never worked for anyone else but your father. The reality is that nobody knows if you're any good or not. The working assumption will be that you aren't.

That said, playing poker for a living is one of the most stressful, yet boring ways to earn money. I played it seriously for about a year to supplement my income and in the end decide to work at a job for less than my hourly because I hated it. If you have any capability to do anything else, you should avoid trying to become a poker pro. For every Doyle Brunson, there are thousands of players who don't make it long term in poker. Even Doyle admits that when he really made good money, it was because his poker skills were so far ahead of everyone else that he was just printing money. People actually believed that JTs was the best hand to have pf, for example. That just won't happen today.

I'll simply note that each of your three mods in this forum have had multiple careers in different areas. All required retraining and basically starting over. You're just going to have to do the same thing, understanding that $100k jobs usually don't go to 24 year olds with little experience.
Thanks for the reply.

I have worked with and under different people in my life. I had earned my stripes in a different industry for 3 years and then was asked by my father to come accross and work in his industry though he was never my boss. I worked directly under the general manager and we never really got along, but he applauded some of my work and credited securing a key contract to me for my work. /brag

I do believe I would be an asset to any company I worked for. I just have a fear of going back to the bottom of the food chain I guess.

You've given me lots to think about, appreciate it

Last edited by Clipper Titan; 07-03-2012 at 12:55 AM.
07-03-2012 , 12:47 AM
Wsop just said on Twitter they are aware of the stream issues and are workin on it right now. Should be fixed shortly.

Hellmuth just about doubled up.
07-03-2012 , 12:49 AM
Nevermind... Hellmuth just lost those chips back. Wiiii
07-03-2012 , 12:53 AM
Just about once a month there is a serious post from someone that wants to play poker for living, and it's almost always the same thing, no matter what anyone say, they want to try it for themselves.

I think we should just sticky a story and move on.
07-03-2012 , 12:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Clipper Titan
Thanks for the reply.

I have worked with and under different people in my life. I had earned my stripes in a different industry for 3 years and then was asked by my father to come accross and work in his industry though he was never my boss. I worked directly under the general manager and we never really got along, but he applauded some of my work and credited securing a key contract to me for my work. /brag

I do believe I would be an asset to any company I worked for. I just have a fear of going back to the bottom of the food chain I guess.

You've given me lots to think about, apprecaite it
Your not fully grasping what he is saying. These are older dudes he is talking about. Until you have worked for 10 years or more at a job you won't understand. At 24 your just a baby. If I was you I would start with another company and play mid stakes like you used to. If you ever catch on then maybe you will be a poker pro.

With your mindset I just don't see it happening. You can't doubt yourself. Anyone that say poker is boring and stressful doesn't have the passion it takes.

Playing cards for a living is the best career in the world. If you don't have that mindset you have lost already.
07-03-2012 , 01:03 AM
Can we move this junk, it is hard to chat about how tilting the stream is
07-03-2012 , 01:07 AM
Stream coming through quite well on the iphone
07-03-2012 , 01:09 AM
Just keep talking about it. I don't mind people wanting to be poker pros. You need the passion. Playing a game for a living is the best feeling.
07-03-2012 , 01:11 AM
When I read his post. I thought 100k fish I can't wait till I get to midstakes.
07-03-2012 , 01:20 AM
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Originally Posted by iLikeCaliDonks
Just keep talking about it. I don't mind people wanting to be poker pros. You need the passion. Playing a game for a living is the best feeling.
So why is it that you're rarely playing the game and often have silly excuse, such as it's raining outside, to not play?
07-03-2012 , 01:27 AM
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Originally Posted by AmazonPrime
So why is it that you're rarely playing the game and often have silly excuse, such as it's raining outside, to not play?
I play all the time. Do I have to check in here when I play? I don't think so. I'm not overrolled for my game so I don't play maximum hours.

I have my own strategy. If I make my quota for the month I will stop. I play poker to pay bills. But I have to make sure my risk of ruin is zero. I don't believe in poker is one long session. I treat my bankroll like a hustling business. I'm not open everyday for service.

Its all about grinding and the right timing, I call it griming I'm just waiting for my right timing, no need to grind like a slave.
07-03-2012 , 01:30 AM
Do you even read your own writing?

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Originally Posted by iLikeCaliDonks
Just keep talking about it. I don't mind people wanting to be poker pros. You need the passion. Playing a game for a living is the best feeling.
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Originally Posted by iLikeCaliDonks
I play all the time. Do I have to check in here when I play? I don't think so. I'm not overrolled for my game so I don't play maximum hours.

I have my own strategy. If I make my quota for the month I will stop. I play poker to pay bills. But I have to make sure my risk of ruin is zero. I don't believe in poker is one long session. I treat my bankroll like a hustling business. I'm not open everyday for service.

Its all about grinding and the right timing, I call it griming I'm just waiting for my right timing, no need to grind like a slave.
In one hand, you're saying that poker pros play poker as a passion and playing feels good, on the other, you're speaking the truth of being a pro, which is boring. So which is it?

You're full of crap...like always, and I think that's why we love you.
07-03-2012 , 01:38 AM
Yawn, ttrying to put me to sleep.

In other news, stream is up
07-03-2012 , 01:38 AM
I love poker, like I said #1 aspect of poker is money. If you don't have a big bankroll. You have to be smart with your low funds, you can't be an idiot. Bankroll management is key, if I had a lot of money I would play 8 hours+ a day everyday. I just don't have the funds to do that.

My passion for it is unquestioned, the fact that you are doing that is priceless lol. It might sound boring to you. But its fun as hell to me. I wish I could play more, sucks being poor. One day my plan will work out. I just have to be patient. If you don't understand that, then you will never understand.
07-03-2012 , 01:43 AM
Also, you have to be a little crazy to want to play a game for a living. Poker is like selling drugs. The joy of winning is like shooting jumpshots and hearing the net swish. It becomes addicting. Its impossible to make them all just like winning in poker. Does it mean its not fun? No, it may not be fun all the time. But in the long run you will have more joyful days then bad ones.
07-03-2012 , 01:48 AM
Sam Trickett cant be anything more than even money to ship this event surely

He just wins all the big ones

I've been reading through the winrate thread and its a usefull well of information. I'll keep reading it. I would love to see some Poker Journal graphs if people know if theyre posted anywhere (could be deeper in the winrate thread tho). Just out of curiousity more than anything.

At least in the short term I dont have to make any decisions. I will be increasing my grinding hours while still working. I should have mentioned this earlier but I have struck up an agreement with management where I dont work Fridays until it picks up and have the ability to have Thursdays off if it allows. This will allow me to spend more time grinding and logging hours. Cant be a bad thing

I'll be more prepared if the worst case scenario evolves towards the end of the year also.
07-03-2012 , 01:54 AM
Actually Sam Trickett is a great player and plays the highest cash games around the world. He is way better then even money. He is a cash game specialist and a damn good one.
07-03-2012 , 01:54 AM
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Originally Posted by iLikeCaliDonks
I love poker, like I said #1 aspect of poker is money. If you don't have a big bankroll. You have to be smart with your low funds, you can't be an idiot. Bankroll management is key, if I had a lot of money I would play 8 hours+ a day everyday. I just don't have the funds to do that.

My passion for it is unquestioned, the fact that you are doing that is priceless lol. It might sound boring to you. But its fun as hell to me. I wish I could play more, sucks being poor. One day my plan will work out. I just have to be patient. If you don't understand that, then you will never understand.
Again, you're coming up with some excuse why you're not the person you want to be.

Instead of thinking and making excuses why you're not Phil Ivey, why not just accept the fact that you're Pokah and be the best Pokah that you can be?
07-03-2012 , 01:59 AM
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Originally Posted by AmazonPrime
Again, you're coming up with some excuse why you're not the person you want to be.

Instead of thinking and making excuses why you're not Phil Ivey, why not just accept the fact that you're Pokah and be the best Pokah that you can be?
Trust me I love my life. Like I said I love poker. You asked me "why don't I play more?" And I told you why. I can't do nothing but be the best me I can be. I always said its poker or nothing and ima die trying to be a top pro one day. If it doesn't happen oh well. I still love playing a game for a living. Its not my fault you start asking me questions about this and that. What do you expect me to say? Poker is boring and stressful? Won't happen, not now not never. Poker is my life and I'm loving every minute of my journey.
07-03-2012 , 02:04 AM
You are no different than every failed college athlete in this country:

"It's NBA or nothing at all!"

"It's NFL or I'll die trying!"

Where do you think most of them end up when they can't wake up to the reality? The sooner you grasp that you're probably never going to make it as a top pro, the better it would be for you.
07-03-2012 , 02:09 AM
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Originally Posted by AmazonPrime
You are no different than every failed college athlete in this country:

"It's NBA or nothing at all!"

"It's NFL or I'll die trying!"

Where do you think most of them end up when they can't wake up to the reality? The sooner you grasp that you're probably never going to make it as a top pro, the better it would be for you.
Lmao, you're hilarious. Did I say top pro or nothing? No sir, I said poker or nothing at all. I have goals some are almost unattainable like being a top pro which is like making the NBA or NFL. The difference between those guys and me is that I will settle for the minor leagues(mid stakes). Ima smart guy don't you think I have already planned all this stuff? Ldo come on now, why you think I even post on 2+2. Its because I'm an information junky. That's how you hone your craft.
07-03-2012 , 02:11 AM
Oh ok, I get you. You're just saying one thing for giggles while aiming for another much lower and realistic standard.
07-03-2012 , 02:11 AM
Really guys, this is the best you can chat about?

      
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