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07-02-2012 , 10:37 PM
Hellmuth don't look like he gone make it.
07-02-2012 , 10:44 PM
Yawn. I'll come back and read these law talk in a few hours when it's my bed time.
07-02-2012 , 10:47 PM
Man I went to sleep. Wake up law talk lmao.
07-02-2012 , 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by dhcg86
I just view things very black and white.

There are the rules and thats what should be followed.

If the rules are unfair or go against other more important rules, then they should be struck down.

But my basic argument for that guy is that IF a crime is to be judged, and solely judged based on ones actions in said crime,

THEN

the mans conduct after the crime should not affect his judgement whatsoever.

I also dont think u should be allowed to see the defendant while in a courtroom, but hey, what do I know
The judge did not break any rules.

People are sentenced on the basis of their conduct after they are charged all the time. It happens in every courtroom every day.

Often, it works to the defendant's benefit, such as if you get a DUI and sign up for alcohol abuse counseling, or if you steal something but give it back you'll get a lighter sentence.
07-02-2012 , 10:48 PM
the simple fact is that judges are given discretion in how they sentence people and punching people during the sentence its going to affect the sentence handed out. I mean if he threw on like 50 years then it would be an issue that would be beyond the actual length legally allowed for the crime.
07-02-2012 , 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted by mpethybridge
The judge did not break any rules.

People are sentenced on the basis of their conduct after they are charged all the time. It happens in every courtroom every day.

Often, it works to the defendant's benefit, such as if you get a DUI and sign up for alcohol abuse counseling, or if you steal something but give it back you'll get a lighter sentence.
Yea I def understand, I just dont agree with that rule.

I feel like once the judgement is done then BAM, it should be over, unless there is an appeal of course
07-02-2012 , 10:58 PM
Richard Yong got eliminated didn't see that **** was sleep. Aces been getting cracked all day. Bad beat after bad beat.

Edit just seen he is still in. It would be a travesty if both asian business men got eliminated.

Last edited by iLikeCaliDonks; 07-02-2012 at 11:04 PM.
07-02-2012 , 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by dhcg86
Yea I def understand, I just dont agree with that rule.

I feel like once the judgement is done then BAM, it should be over, unless there is an appeal of course
Uh, no, not really. Judges make their decisions based on the evidence available to them and when that evidence changes, they can change their mind. When a defendant really loses their **** in the courtroom like that, their failing to skew their sentence would be really really bizarre. Someone that pulls that **** doesn't belong in society.

And that is an effing awesome story mpethy. I thought that that really only did happen in movies like TDK, and it sounds like your H2H training is superb. I'm a black belt and honestly don't think I'd be breaking a mother****er's elbow in that spot (I'd probably just knock the wind out of him), but hell yes for that Army training. Huah.
07-02-2012 , 11:20 PM
I like how you start off by saying you see things in black and white...

but then go on to say how you don't see things in black and white at all.


The judge is just acting in the best interest for the people, and for the guy going to jail; he's going to need at least another 12 years in a hard environment if he ever hopes to match Mpethy's martial prowess.
07-02-2012 , 11:24 PM
The real debacle here is that mpethy didn't captain morgan pose on the prostrated body and take a picture
07-02-2012 , 11:37 PM
Hi all

I guess you see a lot of me. I have a [ ] short story I want to share and would appreciate some advice.

I have played and studied poker recreationaly for 2 years. Online where I was a breakeven tournament player and losing cash game player. I never applied myself. During that time I also played live cash games and several tournaments. I have been profitable at both, grinding $20 an hour at 2/5 in a highly raked game but for a small sample size. I still feel I make plenty of mistakes that I need to correct, which makes me think my $20/hr winrate could just be run good.

Anyway, I have always been employed and had earned decent money. I am 24, on 100k a year but as every day passes it appears I will soon be out of employment. The company I work for is losing money by the month due to the current global economic climate, there simply isnt enough work for us to do. My days are filled with 'doing time' in the office. I am now unhappy in my job which I used to love due to lack of work/things to keep busy. The future of the company depends a current negotiations to secure a short term but lucrative contract. We are underdogs but in with a chance. If it fails, we will fail and I wont be able to move anywhere in my industry. I'll be back at square 1. I am now considering whether or not I take on poker full time and attempt to make something of it.

I guess I just want to hear people say they do it. The room I play in (only one in the state) is pretty juicy but there are a few winners in the room I can tell. I wonder if theres room for 1 more full time winner? I have no doubt I would need to travel to play 5/10 and higher. There is a 5/10 game that runs a couple of days a week but its not sustainable.

I would be underrolled but not broke, something like 20k for 2/5. Is playing 2/5 for a living doable? It seems rough.

Just looking to hear experiences and advice from people who do it. Thanks for reading
07-02-2012 , 11:39 PM
Presumably you have some skills. Use those to get a new job. Do not grind 2/5 instead of getting a std 100k/year job with benefits.
07-02-2012 , 11:42 PM
Playing 2/5 for a living is doable but you need way more than 20k. I'd say forty buyins plus 6 months salary. There its a win rate thread for exactly this issue and questions.
07-02-2012 , 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
Presumably you have some skills. Use those to get a new job. Do not grind 2/5 instead of getting a std 100k/year job with benefits.
Lol this is actual good advice. Play poker for fun part time to fund badass vacations and invest 20% of your income
07-02-2012 , 11:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluegrassplayer
I like how you start off by saying you see things in black and white...

but then go on to say how you don't see things in black and white at all.


The judge is just acting in the best interest for the people, and for the guy going to jail; he's going to need at least another 12 years in a hard environment if he ever hopes to match Mpethy's martial prowess.
is the judges job to act in the best interest of the people?

Also, jail doesnt reform people
07-02-2012 , 11:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dhcg86
is the judges job to act in the best interest of the people?

Also, jail doesnt reform people
Like I get what you are seating I just don't think this can be construed as a miscarriage of justice.
07-03-2012 , 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
Presumably you have some skills. Use those to get a new job. Do not grind 2/5 instead of getting a std 100k/year job with benefits.
There are 3 companys in my country (not USA, so no 'benefits' besides the pay) in this industry and we all know each other. My name has stigma around it (my father was a heavy hitter in this industry and has a lot of enemies, and all of his friends are in this company)

My chances of being hired in this country in this industry are 0%. I will have to relearn a new skill/job to be employed, let alone get 100k a year.

I'll visit the winrate thread, thanks for pointing it out.

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Playing 2/5 for a living is doable but you need way more than 20k. I'd say forty buyins plus 6 months salary. There its a win rate thread for exactly this issue and questions.
The maxbuyin is $500 at my room, so 20k is exactly 40bi. I assume if things go bad I'll receive a payout, unless they get real bad. This payout could potentially act is a life roll for a short time.

Thx for the quick replies
07-03-2012 , 12:09 AM
Listen as much as you hate your job, you'll hate being in a casino all the time more. I'd suggest that you really think about this,.gambling for a living is not a fun way to earn a pay check.

What industry and where? Your story is a bit unbelievable, no offense.
07-03-2012 , 12:12 AM
Bunch of us that have spent at least 1000 hours in a casino are telling you that you don't want to be in a casino for 1000 hours for several good reasons.

Yes the grass seems quite green on our side, but it's actually mostly moss =).
07-03-2012 , 12:12 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Clipper Titan
Hi all

I guess you see a lot of me. I have a [ ] short story I want to share and would appreciate some advice.

I have played and studied poker recreationaly for 2 years. Online where I was a breakeven tournament player and losing cash game player. I never applied myself. During that time I also played live cash games and several tournaments. I have been profitable at both, grinding $20 an hour at 2/5 in a highly raked game but for a small sample size. I still feel I make plenty of mistakes that I need to correct, which makes me think my $20/hr winrate could just be run good.

Anyway, I have always been employed and had earned decent money. I am 24, on 100k a year but as every day passes it appears I will soon be out of employment. The company I work for is losing money by the month due to the current global economic climate, there simply isnt enough work for us to do. My days are filled with 'doing time' in the office. I am now unhappy in my job which I used to love due to lack of work/things to keep busy. The future of the company depends a current negotiations to secure a short term but lucrative contract. We are underdogs but in with a chance. If it fails, we will fail and I wont be able to move anywhere in my industry. I'll be back at square 1. I am now considering whether or not I take on poker full time and attempt to make something of it.

I guess I just want to hear people say they do it. The room I play in (only one in the state) is pretty juicy but there are a few winners in the room I can tell. I wonder if theres room for 1 more full time winner? I have no doubt I would need to travel to play 5/10 and higher. There is a 5/10 game that runs a couple of days a week but its not sustainable.

I would be underrolled but not broke, something like 20k for 2/5. Is playing 2/5 for a living doable? It seems rough.

Just looking to hear experiences and advice from people who do it. Thanks for reading
Is it possible, yes, if you're good, you'll make your rent and won't starve. Is it advisable, I'm tempted to say no, but also aware that that would make me a hypocrite as I allowed an engineering degree to start collecting dust when I was 28 and spent 3 years doing the online grind, and can't say I'm a worse person because of it, but in a lot of ways it's one of those "hard lesson" type things. If you have the skill set for a $100k/yr job at 24 ****ing years old then it's hard to imagine you'd be better off as a 2/5 grinder, it's kind of a ****ty life, the variance is truly like nothing you could ever imagine, and for most people, your social life will go into complete upheaval.

I have to say that I much prefer having a good job and being able to piss around in the higher stakes because of it. If you're making $100k a year you can fly out to Vegas a couple of times a year, play 5/10 or 10/20, or enter into a high buyin tournament or two, and if you've got some skill maybe hold your own. If you're playing 2/5 for a living then entering into a $100 buyin tournament will make you feel like a bit of a degen because you can't stop thinking about how many hours you had to grind at 2/5 to earn the buyin and your spreadsheet detailing your ROR will tell you the hourly rate doesn't justify the added sigma to your variance.

Nobody here is your mother and can tell you what not to do, but it's a lifestyle that's easy to glamorize but that doesn't actually have that much glamor to it once you start seeing preflop 3bet merge ranges in your sleep.
07-03-2012 , 12:17 AM
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1. The test is inherently unreliable. They work on the assumption, oversimplifying, that a truthful person will be completely calm and that a dishonest person will involuntarily show specific signs of stress.

2. If you're a criminal defendant, the police/prosecutors won't care that you pass a polygraph unless it was administered by their guy. And their guy is ALWAYS either a cop or an ex-cop, who has a cop's built-in bias that if you're charged, you're guilty.
60 Minutes did a piece on lie detectors years ago. They brought in a couple of firms that claimed police experience and good results. The cover story was that CBS had an expensive camera stolen out of a room and needed to figure out who did it. No camera was ever in the room or stolen. In each case, they told the guy administering it who they thought was guilty and no surprise, out of the people they tested, the ones suggested were "lying" about the theft.
07-03-2012 , 12:23 AM
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Originally Posted by 11t
Like I get what you are seating I just don't think this can be construed as a miscarriage of justice.
agreed
07-03-2012 , 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by venice10
60 Minutes did a piece on lie detectors years ago. They brought in a couple of firms that claimed police experience and good results. The cover story was that CBS had an expensive camera stolen out of a room and needed to figure out who did it. No camera was ever in the room or stolen. In each case, they told the guy administering it who they thought was guilty and no surprise, out of the people they tested, the ones suggested were "lying" about the theft.
I'd contend that when administered without prejudice by a competent technician with appropriate filters for false positives, lie detectors work pretty well. The problem is that those conditions are basically never met in the legal system, so it's 100% understandable that they don't serve much purpose in law enforcement and prosecution.

Maybe not a perfect example of unbiased use
07-03-2012 , 12:27 AM
OMFG, all I wanted to do was with he ****ing one drop after work and all it does is freeze every ten ****ing seconds. I wish I had a stop sign and a baby right now.
07-03-2012 , 12:38 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Clipper Titan
There are 3 companys in my country (not USA, so no 'benefits' besides the pay) in this industry and we all know each other. My name has stigma around it (my father was a heavy hitter in this industry and has a lot of enemies, and all of his friends are in this company)

My chances of being hired in this country in this industry are 0%. I will have to relearn a new skill/job to be employed, let alone get 100k a year.
Well, that changes the equation a little bit. Given your age, you've probably never worked for anyone else but your father. The reality is that nobody knows if you're any good or not. The working assumption will be that you aren't.

That said, playing poker for a living is one of the most stressful, yet boring ways to earn money. I played it seriously for about a year to supplement my income and in the end decide to work at a job for less than my hourly because I hated it. If you have any capability to do anything else, you should avoid trying to become a poker pro. For every Doyle Brunson, there are thousands of players who don't make it long term in poker. Even Doyle admits that when he really made good money, it was because his poker skills were so far ahead of everyone else that he was just printing money. People actually believed that JTs was the best hand to have pf, for example. That just won't happen today.

I'll simply note that each of your three mods in this forum have had multiple careers in different areas. All required retraining and basically starting over. You're just going to have to do the same thing, understanding that $100k jobs usually don't go to 24 year olds with little experience.

      
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