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09-11-2012 , 04:59 AM
Ugh, PLO is sick. Ran AAKx into KK on a Kxx board twice in 2 mins.
09-11-2012 , 05:02 AM
First one was a 3/3/6 two tone flop in a 4 way pot and I got donked into for 45bbs

Second time I don't remember

Third time was a 6 way pot on a 4/7/8 board. Taking a stab at any of the three would have been awful.
09-11-2012 , 05:03 AM
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Originally Posted by RobFarha
I'm betting at least 100 every time. I'm a jerk though.
I couldn't have bet over 100 since I had already moved over the line. I wouldn't call that a jerk move though, that's just poker.
09-11-2012 , 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by madlondoner
Well the coalition hasn't failed yet though it is a much less tranquil arrangement now compared to when it started just over two years ago. In fact the uk system is criticised for favouring the parties which have much more localised support as more of their votes count so to speak. The liberal democrats usually receive around 20 percent of the vote but get nowhere near 20% of the seats.

What we find unbelieveable in the uk is how personal choice issues of the candidates such as religion, abortion and the death penalty are aired, argued and attacked where as in the uk this would simply not happen. Few people would prefer one candidate over another based on their view on abortion, largely because this would never get discussed. When politicians reference god it is perceived in a negative light as they are bringing their private faith into the public eye.

The cost of the us election seems to have spiralled totally out of control with constant advertising in swing states. In the uk political advertising is not allowed. Until
Obama (and he is no doubt the exception to the trend rather than representing a massive change) it seems that anyone can become president so long as they are a god fearing, white multi millionaire with rich friends.
Whatever coalition you have will fall apart, it's just a matter of time.

The things you mentioned are all individual rights. RIghts can be exercised, or they can be taken away. We have a Constitution written to set up a government that does not take away our God given rights. However the temptation to infringe is always going to be there. So when a poltician tells us he's going to fight for us we want to hear what he believes about our natural rights.

We Americans do not really care about what details of government machinery he has in mind. Poll after poll demonstrates that if you come to voters with a bunch of statistics and charts; we stop listening. No one politician has the control to make a seismic shift in the goverment. We only need to know that candiate Jones is going to keep it stable.

I really don't know how the English protect their rights. When you say "political advertising is not allowed" we wonder if you even have rights.

Finally on President Obama being an exception and not a trend, you miss the point. Any candidate who can persuade the citizens that he is one of them and is going to make it better for Joe Blow; that man will get the attention of billionaires. Billionaires are Americans too and they want to be on the side of the winner.
09-11-2012 , 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluegrassplayer
Last I night 3 bet AK 3 times, the smallest was for 20bbs, the largest for 35 bbs and I ended up check folding the flop every time.
Check raise all in. aggressive play is winning play
09-11-2012 , 09:16 AM
When people make mistakes like acting out of turn versus me it works in their favour.

The other night I'm in CO with KK, ep players limps, HJ raise to 12, I'm grabbing chips to 3bet to 36 when the BTN calls 12 out of turn, so I make it $45, BTN calls, BB ships for 61 total, everyone folds, I call, Btn calls.

Flop T63 two toned.
I bet $100 and call BTN's snap shove of like 15 more.

KK< 66.
09-11-2012 , 09:24 AM
That is true but if they come from the same social-economic background to those billionaires who back them then they are way way more likely to get some of the vast funds donated needed to fights successful election campaign as they will have more common ground. What obama did wel was selling his story through his book and persuading people that he was a dramatic change from the past.

I think there are two problems with allowing unrestricted funding, especially on tv adverts. You do end up making it more elitist due to greater funding needed.

I think it also leads to the emphasis on personality rather than policies which can be so damaging as these are what create a snap impression in a 30second advert. It is easy to slander someone's military career like John Kerry than criticise his policies (especially when there often isnt as many differences between the two parties as they would like you to believe), and even if the facts stated in the adverts turn out to be untrue, by that point there will be a lot of people who believe it is true by that point.

The scary thing with us politics and it is going that way in the uk is how carefully managed everything is and how little opportunity for spontoniety there is and how staged everything is. Whenever I see news about the us election, the candidate will be speaking in front of a carefully selected audience asking the right questions. They will be viewed visiting a factory with their suit jacket off and then holding a baby before being filmed going to church; each element designed to appeal to the different thing that key voting groups find good personal qualities for a president. I think the drama like quality of the election (complete with make up artists and directors) creates a greater gap between the candidates and the electorate as they are being sold a show (both in the adverts and in the actual presidential campaigning) rather than being encouraged to think and question.
09-11-2012 , 09:27 AM
Britain doesn't have a constitution but a series of laws developed over time. A formal constitution would be unnneccesary.
09-11-2012 , 09:29 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by madlondoner
Well the coalition hasn't failed yet though it is a much less tranquil arrangement now compared to when it started just over two years ago. In fact the uk system is criticised for favouring the parties which have much more localised support as more of their votes count so to speak. The liberal democrats usually receive around 20 percent of the vote but get nowhere near 20% of the seats.

What we find unbelieveable in the uk is how personal choice issues of the candidates such as religion, abortion and the death penalty are aired, argued and attacked where as in the uk this would simply not happen. Few people would prefer one candidate over another based on their view on abortion, largely because this would never get discussed. When politicians reference god it is perceived in a negative light as they are bringing their private faith into the public eye.

The cost of the us election seems to have spiralled totally out of control with constant advertising in swing states. In the uk political advertising is not allowed. Until
Obama (and he is no doubt the exception to the trend rather than representing a massive change) it seems that anyone can become president so long as they are a god fearing, white multi millionaire with rich friends.
I think these two differences would make political races much more palatable and useful in the US.
09-11-2012 , 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by DeadMoneyWalking
The way people in his class avoid inheritance taxes is to put the wealth in trusts. these trusts have charitable missions (and yes they fufill them) and his heirs remain in control of the trust.

Mods, I ask again are we going to have a politarding season in this thread leading up to election day?
this is indeed very true, and he has definitely given large amounts of money to his kids in the range of millions of dollars; HOWEVER when you are worth 50 billion and leave your kids a smitten of a % (because the % is what counts) which is far different from many people who inherited the actual company their parent's were running (see Sam Walton).
09-11-2012 , 09:48 AM
Also the two party system is definitely the problem in the US. People who bitch about the electoral college while ignoring the two party system are doing themselves and our country a disservice.

Realistically we should have like a: Green Party, Progressive, Liberal, Libertarian, Conservative, Republican
09-11-2012 , 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by 11t
Also the two party system is definitely the problem in the US.
Agreed. People wonder why American politics is so divisive? It's because our political system necessitates it.

Quote:
Originally Posted by 11t
Realistically we should have like a: Green Party, Progressive, Liberal, Libertarian, Conservative, Republican
Heard someone on the radio the other day talking about how elections structured based on selecting the two party candidates through primaries is the worst way of achieving democracy because a small, extreme fringe % of the people usually decides the primary, leaving us with the inevitable false choice in the general election.

I'll try to find the guy's name. He has a new book. He recommends a two-tier election where all candidates are on the ballot the first time around, then the top two (from any party: could be 2 R's 2 D's, one independent, one R, etc.) have a runoff election. That system sounds so much better to me and much more representative.

The problem is we will be forever stuck in the 2-party system because Dems and Reps have too much power and will never move to willfully destroy their power.

ETA: The Parties Versus the People by Mickey Edwards

Last edited by fold4once; 09-11-2012 at 10:11 AM.
09-11-2012 , 10:11 AM
Paleo list-

I'd sya the best thing to do when starting out is plan a weeks worth of meals or a certain number or meals and shop based on that.

Cooking oils-

Ghee (rarely used)
Olive oil
Hazelnut Oil
Coconut Oil

Meats:
Get a bunch of organic ones

Veggies- buy a bunch of diff ones, sweet potato/tomato/kale/spinach/other green leafy ones are best but get variety

Nuts-Macademia/almonds...mostly any but peanuts

Frozen veggies-buy some bags (no corn or peas)

Eggs-free range/organic

Id rec buying lots of avocados to use as fat
09-11-2012 , 10:14 AM
-490 last night at 2/5.

Can someone please teach me how to win with sets

get it in with 99 vs AA and rando hand on Q92

comes running QQ lol

I just moved to a new table 3 orbits ago. I am playing TAG. Weridest hand of night UTG straddles to 15
2 limpers, I raise to 70 from CO with Jh9h, folds to BB who calls 70 (800 behind?), utg shoves for 380 total, HJ tanks and folds (QQ he claims he was planning to l/r from HJ), I fold, BB opens up KK and mucks. UTG shows an ace and mucks other one....basically KK folded for 26 BB
09-11-2012 , 10:15 AM
fwiw paleo is an acceptable diet in the sense that it is better than just eating the trash most people it but it is a lot of broscience.
09-11-2012 , 10:15 AM
I don't understand why ghee is an accepted part of paleo. Isn't that a product of agriculture?
09-11-2012 , 10:23 AM
Won the football pick em at work. 13-3 record. BAM! Ship the monies!
09-11-2012 , 10:25 AM
ghee isn't officailly part of the diet...its sort of a guilty pleasure-not as bad as the real thing...

id say the diet is fine...it basically cutting out the bad stuff-sugar, dairy (there is a reason lots of people get sick from it)
09-11-2012 , 10:28 AM
3 limpers to me otb with kqdd i raise to 7bbs. 3 callers. Flop is 3kqss checks to me i bet 21. Two callers. Turn is 5 puts up second fd. I bet 85bbs and get a caller. River is another 5. Caller tanks for a little gives off some tells then checks. He still has 220bbs left i check behind. 35ss ships it.
09-11-2012 , 10:28 AM
if you can't handle dairy or gluten you are a failure of evolution and should just die imo.
09-11-2012 , 10:31 AM
After researching paleo a bit seems like its really only good because it forces the person to not eat a lot of bad ****.
09-11-2012 , 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by 11t
if you can't handle dairy or gluten you are a failure of evolution and should just die imo.
LOL
09-11-2012 , 11:18 AM
Last night I tied my silver medal session result (i.e. 2nd best winning session ever) at 1/3 NL. It's the third time in my last seven sessions that I've done this (booking wins of 322 BB, 404 BB and again 404 BB, respectively). After a tough start to the year, I've bounced back pretty nice and I'm a lot closer to last years pace.

Gslightlylesshotterthanthesunplusdoesn'tcauseskinc ancerG
09-11-2012 , 11:19 AM
11t I have money on black chip if youd like some
09-11-2012 , 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
Last night I tied my silver medal session result (i.e. 2nd best winning session ever) at 1/3 NL. It's the third time in my last seven sessions that I've done this (booking wins of 322 BB, 404 BB and again 404 BB, respectively). After a tough start to the year, I've bounced back pretty nice and I'm a lot closer to last years pace.

Gslightlylesshotterthanthesunplusdoesn'tcauseskinc ancerG
was stuck 2300, ended stuck 700....

yea thats a 533bb win in my book!

lol @ flying into vegas @ 1:30am and playing at aria until 4pm

      
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