Finally, some conclusive information. One step closer to outed.

Srry for my english, I don't find the words to describe how this whole discussion sucks/is ridiculous.

May you guys, best amongst the best, have fun.

Lol. Did people ITT get lumps of coal for Xmas? :-)

Fwiw, I think most of us are probably in the top 100 of making money playing FR poker (since we put in a lot of volume), but that's completely different from being one of the top 100 players (who can play FR).

quantity>quality ftw eh fly?

That's what she said!

For those of you saying this discussion sucks/you should only be concerned with playing the best you can without worrying about others... I think its only natural that in a competitive game, you think about how you rank against your opponents. Part of getting better at poker is honestly assessing where you are in relation to your opponents. In fact, I think one of the biggest hurdles many poker players fail to get over is honestly assessing themselves. There are people at both ends of the spectrum. There are those who think they are the greatest poker player at the table and as a result, they blame outside variables when their results are not as good and then they do not improve very much. Then there are others who don't want to assess themselves at all because they either, aren't thinking about the game like they should, are tilted or don't want to think about it because it would hurt their own feelings. Then of course, there are those of us that can have a civilized discussion without it turning into a dick waving contest. This regs thread is boring most of the time neways. I guess everyone is busy being the best they can be

FWIW I think most winning regs at 2/4+ would be in the top 99.9% of players. Being closer to the top 99.999% is where most of the money is made though. I think a safe guess would be that winning 3/6+ regs would be in the top 4k players.

How much you win at poker has less to do with how good you are and more to do with how bad your opponents are.

Who cares what percentile you're in when so little of your success depends on it. It's not like we're trying to get into med school here.


Let's get over the technicalities.

What's with this 2/4+ business? Isn't 2/4 way easier than the +? Why are they getting lumped together?

so you are saying you're not a 2/4 reg...hmmm

Yeah, table selection and hands per hour have a much bigger effect on your earn than actual technical skill. Just look at leatherass (or don't, blocking his stars avatar is definitely +ev).

I can neither confirm nor deny that claim. All I'm saying is that the word on the street is that 2/4 is way easier than everything above 2/4.

How lucky you are, too. Quite a few of the people we think of as big winners also happen to have run very well over the courses of their careers. Some are several hundred thousand above EV, and that's just the all-in EV.

Basically, this: http://www.pokervariancesimulator.fr/

Indeed, it's fairly mind boggling to consider how long the long-run really is. Puts a live career in perspective.

In terms of win rate, there really is no long run. Even after millions of hands, some small fraction people will have luckboxed a ton more money than other identically skilled players. A lot of those people are who we credit as being the best of the best.

Actually all of them. It would be much harder to be in the top 0.1 %, though.

I can neither confirm nor deny that Nick Rivers is Count Stacula

Seems to me you're forgetting the ones that don't care about ranks/dick contests and "only" try to get bettter everyday.

On a side note, you guys should read/ reread the "Who is the better poker player in the world" chapter in "Ace on the river" By Barry Greenstein....

I can neither confirm nor deny the accuracy of Song's non-confirmable/non-deniable claim.

Open question for everyone ITT: Which is larger, your win rate in bb/100 or the length of your dick in inches?

Try finding a number that isnt FR vs. SH or cash vs tourny. Overall or in general would be more reasonable than figuring out where you stand among just full ring online cash players.

I can only confirm that the present I received from my secret santa is too small to fit my large penis.

unless you're like the asianest asian of all time, I dont see how its possible to have a bigger winrate in bb/100 than your penis size in inches nowadays

It wasn't meant to be a dick waving contest. It was a question that was asked of me and I was unsure of the answer. You should be secure enough with your game play to be able to talk about it and objectively assess where you are in relation to others. Most of us are here to make money. If you are better than everyone at the table, you should make more money than them in the long run. If you think its a waste of your time to think about how you rank against your opponents, then I guarantee you are leaving some analysis out when you are "only" trying to get better everyday. When someone makes a play against you do you honestly sit there and only look at what line they took? Some things in poker are not intuitive and it helps to ask yourself if your opponent is better than you (or worse). If so, what made them take that play against you? Is that their standard line or is it an adjustment they made because of how they view your game? Should you incorporate this into your game or do you actually think they made a bad play even though they are better than you overall? etc etc etc.

Its not like I came on here and said hey I am so and so and I want to know if you guys think im awesome at poker. It was a simple question of if you are a winning reg at 3/6+ or whatever, where do you think your world ranking is.

Lots of stuff in the "gettin better" includes what you're speaking of.... I don't try to get better in a vaccum ofc. Spotting better players than me - in my game or not - and understanding why they are better/tough tio play against etc.... is actually a big part of it.

But the whole idea of ranking poker players is ridiculous to me, cause there's no objective nor effective criteriums to do so.

Yeah but you're arguing whether people are like 600th or 1244th or w/e if we were talking about best players then sure it could mean something like it's interesting to talk about best player in the world but in the end I'm not playing to be the best or anything I realize there's a loooong way to go so for the short term I work on my game play the best I can and I could really give a **** less whether people think I'm 742nd or 4459th best player in the world.