V (CO)($325) probably the best player at the table. a good friend of mine and a good LAG. In a past life played semi-pro online, now is a teacher and plays recreationally, but mostly fearless and still very good. Views H as perhaps overly aggro and only other solid player at the table. V might be a bit tilted as he has been getting crushed over the last 30 minutes or so.

Hero (BUTTON) (covers)Hand V have been playing a lot of pots against one another. rest of table is passive and just letting us battle it out. I've been avoiding big/marginal spots with V since he is good and the rest of table is bad, but we've played lots of smallish pots on account of us both being far more active than the rest of the table.

2 limps, V raises to $15, Hero calls with 88, 1 limper calls, other folds.

Flop ($45)567

check, V $25,

Hero? Plan for rest of hand? V will double barrel almost always if we call here.

Lol, preflop result is so standard at my table.

So on flop we only have a PSB left? Not the greatest of flops by any means, but should we consider ourselves committed here with this remaining stack size? I might sigh shove? We're definitely not folding better (of which there is a chance someone has on this board), but we could get called by worse (draws, pair + draw), and we could have the best hand and simply be protecting.

I probably would have open shipped the turn. We're committed (imo), no point in giving free cards to those who will take them in a huge pot.

Don't see how we can do anything other than ship as played? Seems we give him very little bluff rope by leaving ourselves $90 left in a $270 pot (if that's what we are thinking). Or are we actually concerned we're behind? Stacks are too small to care about that, imo.

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Call, if he's a LAG, this is just a standard c-bet and there's a lot of air in his range. V gave us a great price to draw to our straight. We can X/R on any non-club on the turn imo. If we hit a 4 or a 9, even better.

Id just call flop. On turns where anything but the flush comes out I would also like a call. Raising just opens the door to be bet off our hand and I want to get to showdown.

If a straight comes I am down for a river bet if checked to or I'd just call if he chooses to bet. Straightflush is obvious valuetown and hope he has a has the ace.

thanks for the replies. Rest of hand played out like this:

Hero calls 25. limper folds

Turn($95): 2

V bets $50, Hero calls

River ($195): J

V shoves ~$220, Hero folds.

lol-live read was the tie breaker on the river. he kind of shrugged and splashed his chips into the middle (Handful of greens and a few reds)

We are definitely wondering if we are behind.

I disagree that SPR makes this a shrug and shove. Saved money is earned/won money.


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Yeah I think it's a pretty clear fold. The pot is 120 and we're basically making a decision for the whole remaining 150, the bet size doesn't really matter. Given that it's definitely going to be a chop at best, we're putting in 150 to win 210 total, so if he (or any of the other players) has a flush any more than 28.5% of the time, it's a fold. The real number is actually lower than that, because I'm assuming we always chop vs an ace, but in reality he's actually a fave to have a redraw.

He seems unlikely to make that preflop speech with Ax. Not that Ax is impossible but suited rags seem more likely and he needs a flush less than 30% of the time. (In saying that he's a fave to have a redraw, btw, I'm assuming that Ax suited is impossible, since it seems like there's zero chance he makes a speech about having junk with a suited ace).

At what SPR does it though? Obviously if SPR is 0.5 on the flop (just a 1/2 PSB left) we're going with it, right? Well, it's 1, it's kinda in the same neighbourhood. It's not like it's 3 or 4 or something (which is a massive relative difference in this spot).

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$2/5 ~$500 effective

UTG limps, MP limps, LP limps

Hero is SB with 76o and completes.

BB checks

Flop 762 sss ($25)

UTG bets $25
MP calls
Hero calls

Turn J d ($100)

Check to MP who bets $60
Hero calls
UTG folds

River Q d ($220)

Hero checks
MP bets $120
Hero ?

Fold pre. Bet flop yourself. River is a puke regardless of action. Any reads on UTG?

UTG was the biggest rec at the table, and MP was caught bluffing his stack less than an orbit earlier, but I don't have a strong reason to suspect he is bluffing here. The main hand I thought I beat was the naked As

The more I thought about it, I agree with fold pre. It was a juicy game, so at the time I didn't mind seeing a flop cheap with that hand. As played, I think it's a fold river

I'm leading flop here. We get value from a load of hands we beat.

as played, I think we have to call river. We beat pair + FD hands and NFD hands he's turned into a bluff. It's read dependent but his range is interesting..he really should have raised flop with a set or a baby flush (probably anything J high and below...maybe Q high and below). The hands that call flop and then lead turn and river that we lose to are the high flush combos that he overlimped pre.

I think getting 3 to 1 that I call but I'm expecting to be beat a lot

Hero not in this hand

Play it from SB perspective

1/3
SB (260) 30ish middle eastern, very nitty, but overvalues big pair hands multiway, like pocket pair or flopped TPGK
CO (250) Asian 30ish, somewhat aggressive, trying to play tight, but too loose, like most 1/3 players
Btn (1000) 30ish white guy, talking too much poker talk, has folded to H's triple barrel when H missed a flush draw.

5 limps including CO and Btn
SB raises to 20 with AA
only CO and Btn call

Flop (75) KK9r
Checks around

Turn (75) KK94ss
SB bets 40
CO calls
Btn raises to 80
SB calls
CO calls

River (315) KK943o
SB checks
CO checks
Btn AI 160
SB tank calls
CO calls

What’s the question?

I mean muck the turn, obviously, the guy isn't minraise bluffing two people.

Should SB fold turn?

Also, should SB bet flop?
Should SB bet or fold river?

-Yes, quite easy fold on the turn with a bet and a raise before its on us. Both villains have a ton of Kx in their limp/calling ranges preflop.

-Flop can be a bet some portion of the time, but you dont need to size it very big. We want to C-bet big parts of our range on paired boards like these, cause its hard for our villains to hit a hand they can continue with. AA is fine to bet with, both to get some value from worse non believing PP or 9x.There is also some gutter combos that villains can get stubborn with and call a modest flop bet with. Plus we take away the possibility of free cards that our villains potenially can take, and that way deny them combined equity against us.(for example gutterballs getting there for free).

That being said, i believe checking flop also is perfectly fine with a rainbow board- but we need to just fold the turn when were facing this kind of action.

In my hand I shipped the turn and he snap called with 4d 8d.

Coach thought it was a clear fold.




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Yeah, I would think you're either getting free rolled or behind a lot and chopping at best. With a 4 straight Broadway out there to the A, sets and 9s aren't going nuts because they know there is a good chance you have an A. You're effectively calling 150 (your stack) to win 75 (chopped pot, assuming you're the only caller) here, which obviously is not a situation we want to be in often

Fwiw, 270 in a game that gets straddled to $5 often is going to be difficult to maneuver post flop in.

After this many limpers I'm raising way more preflop, and we have the perfect stack to make an easy peasy 10% raise to like $25 - $30 to setup a trivial stack off postflop. I have zero clue what AA makes on average, but even taking down 6.5 bbs preflop ain't exactly the end of the world.

I'm ok with the flop check on this board. Even though the SPR is 4 3ways and we're in commitment territory, it's very unlikely we're going to be ahead of anyone who is willing to commit on this board. We're WA/WB here, not much reason to bet.

Turn is opponent dependent for me. Against the more face up ABC non-bluffy calling stationish, I'd bet/fold (and typically quite small as I'm simply looking to get value from very weak hands). Against those who could start making bluffs against what would now look like a very weak hand, I more like a check to setup a bluffcatcher. As played, I'm folding to the raise; there is just too good a chance someone actually has a K at this point, imo.

I don't get to the river but if I do Button would have to be suicidal to continue bluffing here against two opponents (imo).

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This is the type of game I play in. IMO, it's basically just a preflop game of where tight is right (and tighter is righter), imo.

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Super weird spot for a live $2/5 game. Felt like a tournament spot. Have any of you ever seen this in a cash game? Villain just sat down an orbit ago. The only read I had was he was holding a pamphlet for the CPC poker tournament series that begins in a couple of weeks. He was probably late 20's.

Effective stacks $600.

1 limper in EP.
Villain in MP raises to $15.
Hero raises to $45 with QQ in CO.
Folds back around to Villain who makes it $85 to go?

What are you guys considering for his range here and what is the plan going forward?

Thanks all.

SB called river.
CO called river.
BTN shows KT
CO shows K3o for rivered house.

Shoulda put this in the donkalicious thread?

I thought river was an EASY fold, but need to convince my buddy, who was SB. I have a hard time folding turn, cuz min raise, but I get it, fold.

Petrucci, the turn action was SB bet, CO called, BTN raised, so it was not a bet and raise TO SB, SB did the bet. Slightly different, but turn is still a fold.

CO also likely gets a gold star as he butchered most streets (I'm ok with this flop check and initial turn call, but other than that, lol, imo).

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