5/5 1k deep w/ UTG straddle, line check.


V = new table so no real reads. Looks like a mid 30's cholo, flatbill cap w/ sticker on it, flannel shirt, gold chain, tattoos.

Hero opens $35 on BTN with QJ, BB calls, V calls in UTG straddle.

$105

K82

x, V $50, H calls, fold

$205

T

V$90, H calls

$385

A

V $240, H Call.

Anyone do anything different on any street?

I like how all streets were played

NH; WP.

Just fold the flop imo. Seems to me like what we have there is a non nut draw which we are not getting the right price to draw to and are making no additional money on if we hit.

I mean if villain checks at any point, we're not going to bluff, right? And if villain keeps betting, we're not bluffraising or anything? My point is, unless we have a plan here other than hitting our draw and hoping it's good, I don't see how the flop call is anything other than a straight up -EV proposition.

ship river IMO

found the Florida player

you think some rando is donking 3 streets with a flush? he's got a lot of two pair/sets/spazz in his range tbh.

of course i'm sure he's gonna turn over the flush and i'll look like a typical lolFL donk

Ive heard so much good about Florida games in general through the years on this forum, i am hungry as **** to go there and play in the future

the east coast is where you wanna be, all the games in tampa are filled with 10bb/hr winners who soul-read like a mofo

Haha, point taken-dont gonna ask you for spesific nicks when it comes to soulreading 10 BB/hr crushers

Here in LA we have Florida regs comming in and turking our jerbs. To the Serbian grinding 5/5 at the Bike, I'm talking about you.

Nobody wants to raise turn in Quantum’s hand?

What do we do when we get 3!/shipped on?

Tight nit opens to 4 BB, hero 3 bets from HJ with KK to 16 BB off of a 100 BB stack.

Fish who plays alot of hands (although to open raises, naturally somewhat tighter to 3 bets) cold calls the 3 bet from the SB. Another fish in the BB also cold calls the 3 bet. Nit open raiser folds.

Flop A88 rainbow. Both villains checks. Hero? Do we C-bet here against 2 fishes/whales and their cold caller ranges? Do we take a card off in position, and eventuelly call a turnbet?

Very clear check. What would the benefit be to betting?

I agree Chris, just wanted a line check and hear some different opinions on the spot overall. Discussed it with couple of pokerfriends, and we had some different views on how to play it. 2 cold calls to my 3 bet is not that common of a spot to get into after all.

I did opt to check and the turn is an offsuit 9. SB this time leads for 18 BB. Do we take one off here or do we just give it up figuring his range has too many Ax for us to continue?

Close, but I probably take one off. It's a fairly small bet, 18 into 52.

I think checking back to evaluate on turn is usually best. With a worse hand I like a cbet but cbetting is basically turning your hand into a bluff vs most llsnl opponents' calling range and this hand is still pretty strong. Id call most turn bets and fold to a river bet unlesd they give you a really good price.

Petrucci -

Flop is a clear check back. Heads up we could consider betting super small to merge our range, but multiway I don't think they're peeling with a lower pair.

AP, I'm calling turn and eval river. Probably folding to a sizable river bet.

Thanks guys, then we seem to agree that the flop is a pretty clear check back. I ended up folding to the turn bet though figuring he would have so many different Ax combos in this spot that he starts betting on the turn after flop gets checked through. Even more so than many more stellar villains that you often can range down to like only having AQ/AK and maybe AJ suited for some looser villains when they cold call a 3 bet OOP. This guy though can have stuff like A5 suited, and what i was thinking at the time is that he so often will not slow down on the river: so i basically have to play the total guessing game if he have the A (or even nines full on the turn), or if he is buttonclicking with like 1010 or JJ since the flop got checked through. And that guessing game scenario is something i am generally trying to avoid, if you guys are with me on that train of thought.

So i ended up folding on the turn, wich in hindsight might be a small mistake on my part versus his range because of the price i am getting with roughly a third pot sized bet- and he flashes me JJ before he throws his cards into the muck.

Does it make any sense to fold the turn here, when i know by history that this player will fire the river also at a very high frequenzy and i am left playing the guessing game at that point? Like, i am not so worried about stationing the 18 BB bet on the turn- but moreso knowing that i am gonna be faced with a much larger bet on the river a big percentage of the time.

One of my friends who i discussed this with means that i should stab the flop with a bet to avoid exactly this type of scenario, but that sounds quite results oriented to me also i dunno. If the guy had like AQ and i didnt put anymore money in postflop at all i would have looked like a genius.

way too many of my villains button-click the turn with this action, so I would definitely call there most of the time.

I'm in the clear check back camp on the flop.

So it's a 1/3rd PSB on the turn? Unless against nittier opponents, think we probably have to sigh call and then lean towards folding to a river bet, but river obviously dependent on whether this guy is capable of bluffing / blocking betting worse.

Gagreeingwitheveryoneelse;afirst?G

I agree in a vacuum that the turn bet is a bet we should call most of the time in this spot: but does the fact that i know by history that this villain mostly is not gonna stop betting with whatever he has on the river influence our turn decision? Like he is a fish that is bad at hand reading and relative hand strength and all that basic stuff.

Like, he can think A5 suited is the nutz and fire like a 40 BB bet on the river with that hand, or he can keep betting with JJ like he had this time- not knowing what to do on the river and then buttonclick instead.

So i mean, the fact that i am worried a sizeable riverbet is coming more often than not from this particular villain if i do call the turn is what makes me question the turndecision. Isnt it kind of burning money from my perspective to to just put money in on the turn if were planning to always fold the river?

Does he have more double barrel button clicking QQ- in his range than Ax? If so, I guess bite our lip and call down. And while we can certainly expect that double barrel some of the time, I highly doubt it's coming all of the time; I'm guessing he lets us off the hook a decent percentage of the time too.

GpokerishardG

UTG straddles to $5. Two callers including Asian in CO who is a total fish who thinks he is good.

I bump it to $30 with AK off and get 4 callers.

Flop KQJ all diamonds. I have no diamonds.

It checks through.

Turn is a 10.

Checks to CO who bets $60. Before the hand he said ‘I can’t believe I’m calling with this garbage.’

I have about $150 total. He has me covered.

What do you do?


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