http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...poker-1622993/

I hadn't tried that. Didn't realize it was an option .

I just realized that Ignition was requested recently and I added it in the latest v2.89 version as support as a skin for the built in "BovadaBodog" site. So it should work already

Greg,

I need your advice again on my setup. Picture a four monitor setup with a 30inch monitor in the middle, 24inch on top, and two 20inch monitors inverted onto their sides.

I have four total layouts configured inside of StackandTile.

1) 18table layout with 12 tables on the 30inch and 3 on each of the 20inch screens. Top screen for Pokertracker, music, etc.

2) 15table layout with 9 tables on the 30inch and 3 on each of the 20inch screens. Top screen for Pokertracker, music, etc.

3) 10table layout with 6 tables on the 30inch and 2 on each of the 20inch screens. Top screen for Pokertracker, music, etc.

4) 7table layout with 6 tables on the 30inch and 1 table on the right monitor to hold the stack.

Now my questions again is how to optimize my setup for ~15 tables at a time. I'm struggling in some way or another playing tiled or stackandtile to maintain this table count. Anything over 9 tables seem like to much which is strange cause I've stacked and played 25+ tables four years back. I am playing some more hyper formats and six max games mixed in but not sure what the problem is cause 9 shouldn't be a problem.

Here are some things of noticed........

1) Even in the seven grid setup I rarely have my whole grid filled on the screen but I do run into problems with the grid occasionally filling all at once and when it's my turn to act on all that can sometimes be stressful.

I thought maybe I could setup up "move table to grid when dealt cards" but then I thought this would cause more button clicking like say a table pops on screen and I have AA. Now I'm forced to either click a button to move that table back to the stack or wait it out until it's my turn to act and play the hand. I was thinking this would probably cause me to have to click more buttons. Am I wrong in this thinking or do you think this will allow more overall time and better opportunities for me to act? Maybe this would work in one of my larger grids better where it wouldn't bother me to leave the table on screen as long because I have more overall slots for tables to fill in the grid?

....I also thought, maybe i could move the stack into the grid but then set it up to be able to cycle through it while I play and click alot of the fast fold, etc on hands I wasn't going to play? Do you know any players that work stackandtile in this way?

Finally, do you think some players have more success holding tables in the grid and then just having other tables fill the grid? This would allow me to click the fold check boxes on some tables and then focus on the empty spots more in game.

Anyway, I hope I explained my problem. It could be just me and I am getting older and maybe I just have to train my brain a bit better but I'm trying to figure out how to get up my table count up. I know you suggested playing in a stack and then having tables move to the grid when they go postflop but I actually do like the default stackandtile mode where I'm able to give more thought to some preflop decisions without worrying about tables behind in the stack timing out. I just want to find out a way to better act when I run into the spots where 5+ tables jumping into the grid all at once.

Any advice from your on how you think this can best be accomplished with any of my setups or from other customers of yours that have had success would be much appreciated. Thanks.

I will say that I personally always had difficulty when using multiple monitors. When I was grinding for a living, I started with two 20"s, then also added a 30" in the middle, and I always found the larger real estate to be difficult for me due to the longer mousing range. When I consolidated my setup to just the 30" alone, I felt like I wasn't as rushed. It was as if I was wasting time moving the mouse so far, and moving my eyes so far across all that screen real estate. It didn't matter whether I played Tiled only or Stack And Tile mode. Both improved when I reduced down to just the 1 big screen. That was for me personally. I know plenty of people have no problem with multiple screens.

When you used to play 25 tables, how many screens were you using?

I don't see why this situation would result in more button clicks. If you get dealt AA, why would you move that table back to the stack? I would think you would leave it in the grid while you wait for your turn to act. This can give you even extra time to think about the decision and if you will raise/call/3bet against various action ahead of you. The "When Dealt Cards" mode actually gives you the more time compared to the "When Action Required" mode. The downside is that you need to be sure to have everything set up properly with Preferred Seating and all that, since SaT looks for both the hole cards and the flop cards.

Yes some people do this. Usually in conjunction with "Move To Grid" = "After Entering Pot". It keeps all the preflop actions in the stack. And you can cycle through using either the "Cycle stack" hotkeys, or "Send table to bottom" hotkey.

I have seen players who just leave some tables in the grid, and then just watch the stack for other tables that need action, or just listed for the sounds from the poker clients, and then when other tables require action, you can just "Stack Table" some irrelevant tables to free up some slots. They are using "When Action Required" mode, so when the grid is full, and a table that is still in the stack requires action, it will pop to the top of the stack so you can see it. And if a grid slot frees up, it will move there. This may work for you, you'd need to try it.

Realize, you can also do this even for normal tables that you are in mid-hand. Suppose you were dealt AA, the table is in the grid already. Your grid is full. You hear or see that other tables in the stack require action, which makes you worry that you are going to time out. There is not much risk in using a basic "Stack Table" hotkey to send the AA table back to the stack, to free up a grid slot to allow another table to take its spot. Its likely you will then just use a Fold+Stack hotkey on that new table, giving you the same free slot again, and when the AA table comes around to your turn, it will come back to the grid again. Or, just choose another table to re-stack in the meantime, instead of the AA table. Your grid is full, certainly not all of those tables are going to be super big hands, so maybe you decide to keep the AA table in the grid, but just re-stack some lesser table to free up a slot. The only downside is that you'd need to be specific in using "Stack Table" hotkey instead of "Fold+Stack", because you don't want to mistakenly Fold a hand.

But, the only reason to really do this is if you don't want to be acting out of your stack. Because like I said, those tables should still be popping to the top of the stack for you to see and act on. Some players have their stack partially off-screen, so they can't see/act on the tables, and thats why its necessary for them to free up slots in this manner.

I don't know when I suggested to you to use "After Entering Pot" mode (other than above in this very post), because I too prefer the default mode of "When Action Required". I have the same concerns as you about tables timing out. I like to use my Fold+Stack hotkey religiously to constantly move tables back to the stack when dealt a bad hand or in early position.

The thing is, there are so many different ways to configure the software. Everyone has their own preferences. I am still surprised when I hear a new way someone has things set up, or are asking for help in trying to accomplish something that I never thought of. I guess thats a blessing and a curse for having so much freedom.

It really comes down to just trial and error, and seeing what is comfortable for you. It sounds like you're doing that already. Normally, for the default "When Action Required" mode, I usually recommend a layout with 50-75% number of slots compared to your desired table count. So if you are desiring a 15 table session, then either your 7 or 10 slot layout should be ok. But it also depends on your gametype, and your play style. Higher VPIP players or people playing HU are going to be involved in so many hands, that that recommendation doesn't make sense. I'm guessing the Hyper games are giving you more decisions, which is affecting you negatively with your previous setup.


So I think maybe you should experiment with a few things things:

1. Try a layout just on your 30", maybe 9-12 slots or so. If the slots are, it shouldn't be too big of a deal to have a little bit of overlap.

2. Try moving your stack slot onto your main monitor, and then cycling through your stack to take some extra preflop decisions when you have down time. You can use either the "Send Table to Bottom" hotkey, or a "Cycle Stack" hotkey.

3. Try the "When Dealt Cards" mode with either the 10 or 15 slot layout. The "Fold+Stack" hotkey should click the advance action fold checkbox, so you can still quickly clear the tables from the grid that are irrelevant. And you can still use the same strategy of using a "Stack Table" hotkey to free up a grid slot if you don't want to be acting out of the stack. But that might not even be necessary

Thanks Greg. I haven't played 25+ tables in years but when I did I was playing stacked and used TN1 to load tables with a few hotkeys in there. During that time I was playing a lot of turbo MTTs with slightly larger time banks than the Hypers mixed in with MTTs and obviously the games were alot softer and I ran a bit tighter and more basic ABC strategy overall. It's certainly harder to play a bunch of hypers mixed in and six max especially when games are shorthanded but I feel I'm still capable enough to grind 10 to 15 tables continuously while playing and that's why I asked for your advice.

Definitely agree with your advice about consolidating the screen size. I almost never play on any screen other than the 30inch either even though I do have some grid slots dedicated to those screens in stackandtile mode they are almost never used.

My comment about more button clicks in "move table when dealt cards" was just that if I used a smaller grid I might run into some problems with tables remaining in the grid too long if every time I was dealt a playable hand I just left that table in the grid until it was my turn to act. I think if I was using a six table grid I would run into some problems when 10+ tabling but with a nine to twelve table grid it probably wouldn't be as much of a problem. After writing this I see you addressed this issue further down in your comments

I'm going to set up a new nine table grid only on the 30inch based using your advice at the bottom of your reply and set it up to play in when dealt cards mode. Currently I've dedicated and use to using the middle mouse button(the wheel) as a stack hotkey. I use F12 as "hold table in the grid hotkey". I have never used a "Fold + stack hotkey" and I'm not even sure which button would be best to dedicate such a hotkey to on my keyboard/mouse. Do you think just checking that "fold check box" would be enough and then using my mouse wheel key to stack would do you the trick or should I learn some new hotkeys?

My mouse is a gaming mouse but rather simple. It has left/right button and middle wheel and then it has two additional buttons located around where my thumb is located on the mouse.

Couple more quick questions;

1) If I do properly set up "move table to grid when dealt cards", how often do you expect me have to re-configure it when sites update their software? I really don't want to run into a bunch of problems there. Also, I assume I don't need to worry about "send tables to stack at end of hand" in advanced options because tables would move right back to the grid anyway.

2) I see under advanced options there is "Highlight Active table". I believe the one time I tried this option is just put a red box around the table under my mouse. Say I was playing in tiled mode setup. Is there a way to have the box move to the most urgent table automatically? I remember this was something that I did enjoy with stackandtile back in the days when I played tiled the most urgent tables would get highlighted with certain colors.

Thanks again for your advice.

Oh ok, so you are clicking Fold with your mouse, and then using a simple "Stack Table" hotkey. That should work fine. Takes a little bit of extra effort to move your mouse over the button/checkbox, whereas the hotkey would do the work to click the Fold button as long as your mouse was anywhere over the table. But you may have some confusion as you learn to differentiate between "Stack Table" and "Fold+Stack". Again, if it works for you as is, then just stick with it, otherwise it will come down to trial and error to see what you like

I don't think that poker site updates should affect this mode. Either way it only takes a few minutes to Remove and re-Include a site

"Highlight Active table" does exactly that. It highlights whichever table is active and has focus. It shouldn't highlight every table under your mouse, unless you ALSO turned on the setting for "Activate table under mouse". Otherwise, as long as you have SaT's setting to "Activate table when action requried" turned on, it should work as you described

havent experienced this kind of customer service in any of the poker apps ive held a sub or bought , while not that cheap its more then wortht he money and great customer service on top of that

Hi Greg, my sub is been cancelled for the third time I think but the money is available. Since I have no other issue with other type of payments could be a problem from your payment processor?

Thanks for the kind words man, I really appreciate it. Please tell your friends!

I'm not sure, I could ask. PM me your email address for your subscription.

Can you verify for sure whether or not you have the funds available? I haven't heard of this problem yet, so I'm doubtful, but you never know. As you can imagine, subscriptions get cancelled for non payment all the time, and no one has ever said that anything like this. But I'll ask them.

Will SaT support support Stars.fr and Party.fr ?
Thanks in advance.

doesn't it already? i thought it did

I asked the wrong way, sorry...

I meant "Does SaT..."

So you answered my question, thanks

no worries. if for some reason those skins fail, let me know

Hi Greg, I did not see built in site for "The Hive" network. Maybe You have some custom site config which You can share?
Table looks like this.



Also is "Bet x bb" hotkey supposed to work on 888? I have custom site config as I am using layout mod and "Bet x bb" is not working there.

Here is my custom site config for 888.

i don't have any custom site profile for that, you'll have to choose 'Other' and go through the wizard yourself. i'll look into adding it in the future

you'll need to add these settings:

and make sure the values are for the table width/height settings at the top of the config

I'm using RButton to stack the table, but ideally I'd like to use a long pressed RButton to activate my script. How can I use them combined?

hrmmmm.. it may be possible, but you'd need to figure out how to check what a long/short press is, inside your own script. if you can do that, then i can help you

pm sent

It should be really easy to detect it
https://autohotkey.com/board/topic/8...-wo-modifiers/


and... would this software works with yours?
http://techsalsa.com/dim-windows-oth...active-window/

yea big +1. thanks for everything

+1

Greg Nice helped me so many times, he really deserve the money

Is your Rbutton the mouse? It only works for me if I setup the option, "don't see thru to menu beneath" Otherwise it will stack, but instantly pop back into grid. I need to use my right button to move seats, so I cant use rbutton as a hotkey. DO you have a work around for this?

Is there a way to "disable ENTER to bet" w/ SaT running with BetOnline??? I keep accidently betting when a table pops into grid when I am just trying to hit enter doing something else. i.e. chatting

If you need to use right click, then there is no work around

You could try a few things

1. Set up a hotkey for the Enter key within SaT. Then SaT will override this key and you won't be able to use it even in chatting, and hopefully it will also be blocked from the pokersite

2. Turn off SaT's Advanced Option to "Activate/focus table when action is required" and then the tables won't steal focus from your chat window. But the tables will no longer pop up when its your turn to act

3. Don't chat and play poker at the same time