there was another competitor which discontinued development because the market for the program was small and it would not be worth his time (if i remember correctly)
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/16...tinued-850406/

but i'm sorry to hear that you are unsatisfied, and if you decide to cancel there is no hard feelings. i understand that maybe i alienate some potential customers and sometimes people have to stand for their principles

i purchased the low buyin version:

my problem: all tourny tables get ignored, cash tables do work.

solution??

what site? are you using a custom site or a built in site?

pokerstars classic theme. but the same for other pokerstars skins i tried

i guess its something about the window discription

is it all tournaments? sngs too? also, what language is your Stars set to? it needs to be in English

About pricing: MS Office makes people earn 20-40k a year doing computer work. Is that a reason to sell MS office for 2k a license?

Compared to other software which has more functionality, it's just too expensive.

too expensive , wont use this anymore

lol, price hasn't changed

I understand that you are set on the price and unwilling to change, but it seems to me like frankly you are not very open to considering others' thoughts and ideas on this issue. Responding with, "all other poker software is overpriced and mine is the only fairly priced software for sale" seems rather narcissistic and is simply rationalization to charge more than most people seem to think is fair.

That said, I DO appreciate the software, so thank you and keep up the good work

Ill give you all a heads up.

There are several other developers who are considering adding S+T like functionality to their own existing products. These products are in the $50-65 price band.

When asked if this was a good idea, I said that S+T and other like software has a very small userbase and therefore adding this kind of functionality wont really increase sales much.

However the products in question (commercial software seen on 2+2 and other sites) have reached a point where they have to move off in other directions because they have done everything they set out to do.

When asked how many $100s per year they would be charging, the usual reply was "LOL yer right"

So right now there are developers toying with the idea of adding S+T like functionality to their existing products but not even considering the S+T like pricing.

It is ridiculously priced and I have yet to speak to a poker developer, other than Greg, who thinks otherwise.

its simply because its been discussed to death with like 5 pages worth in this thread alone, when SaT initially went from free->commercial. its tiring repeating the same thing, but i know the stance is a radical one compared to others

its because people base "fair price" simply on comparison and not on value. and i think that is unfair. if the other poker softwares were in the $300 range, you wouldn't be complaining about SaT being overpriced, you would probably be thinking more in the terms of "what can it do for me, how much can it make me" which imo is the more fair and appropriate point of view

but even more than that, i have to charge more out of pure financial reasons, i've put a lot of work into this and i need to make at least SOME return on investment. i dont have 100k users like HEM does where their market is so large that they can afford to charge cheaply. believe me, i'm not hustling anyone, there are < 100 paying customers for my program. this pays for my monthly groceries if that


thats fine, thats their prerogtaive. another problem is that these developers are probably programmers by trade, and are used to making their $40k/year or whatever. i'm a poker player, who has played fairly high stakes in the past before tilting off a lot of my roll. this is a hobby for me, but i consider my time is worth more than $2/hr. i highly doubt many poker softwares outside of the big trackers and TN are making their living off of $50 sales.

i think i've been very open and candid the whole time with this issue. i'm not trying to rip people off. is my model different? yes. is different usually shunned? yes. i'm ok with that. if the market determines this to be a failure, so be it. i'll have taken a chance and was wrong.

i would appreciate if we could drop it, and everyone just vote with their wallet

There are many many good ideas that never turn into products because it is known that they would reach the marketplace with an unrealistic price tag.

Unfortunately for you, you have a decent product that has somehow arrived at the market place with an unrealistic price tag. You should have considered a pricing structure in keeping with the other products in the marketplace when you began development. If you knew you weren't going to sell it for the going rate, TBH you shouldn't have bothered developing it in the first place.

In effect you have done the conceptional hard work.. all we need now is for someone to come in a and undercut you and your user-base will drop S+T like a stone.

This isnt something thats limited to poker. If you developed a really good sports car (S+T) yet it is priced at more than an aeroplane (PT3) you wont sell many, no matter how good it is.

Your right, most people do not expect to make a living off of one $50 product. Instead they use their talents to design and market a whole host of products, most of which would not be poker related.

its as if you are trying to insult me, i already said that if i fail, so be it. why can't you respect my decision to try something out of the box? you think i didn't consider all of this before i decided on pricing?

please respect my decision and lets move on

I'm not trying to insult you.

I'm simply pointing out that when a cheaper alternative comes along your users will leave and right now there are people talking about adding S+T like functionality to their existing products.. i.e. if you have these products already then its free!!!

And no I dont think you put much thought into the $180 a year or whatever it is you are charging these days.

Hi greg,
I need one thing. I use my SaT as betpot+ table placement (so tile setings never etc.) The problem is that my tables are slightly overlapped so I have to click the table every time It requires an action. I need an option-focus table on mouseover so I could play more than 9 tables cause now I am stuck. Would it be possible for you to add it to SaT??

BTW I dont think that SaT is overpriced and I am paying customer. It makes me more per session that I pay every month. So I'd rather pay than see this project closed cause I would be ****ed. there isnt anything like that currently on the market. Of course it might be different if there was a competitor but before there were some simmilar software (table of Interest,etc.) but every project is dead due to lack of the interest or it wasnt worth the time for the author (so prettty ****ty hourly). I understand that it has to be worthwhile for the author of the program to keep support for the tool.
So paying more than current market prices>>>>not to be able to use tool like SaT at all.

back to my problem:

i have the low buyin version and just cash game tables can be controlled by stack and tile, any sng or tourny table gets totally ignored.

my setup: pokerstars classic theme (also other themes) and pokerstars also in english

what can i do?

i don't know if i will add this feature to SaT or not, it could be useful of course, i just don't know how many people would want it.

however, its a trivial AHK script, so you can just use this for now:

i just tested a small stakes license on pokerstars classic and it worked for me, sometimes even tables bigger than $15 buyin were successfully (although shouldnt be ) detected.

are you sure that you are trying to play tournaments less than $15 ? if so, and its still not detecting, can you please run this AHK script, and paste to me the window titles of the tournament tables that are not working? thanks:

i found my problem: i had to start a new layout for the theme. before, i did just one layout for different ps themes and all worked except tournys. had to set up hotkeys and stuff again but i play just one ps layout anyway!
keep up the good work thx!

Thanks, works great.

hi. I just tried your program. But i have a problem. I play on Ipoker (William Hill) and it puts my tables in table preflop! Before I have action. Even if I use Fold + Stack. It puts it in stack for a milisec and then but it in tile. After i have action it works well. So if you could help me with that isue I would be really glad.

i think i know what the problem is. let me explain to you how SaT works. when you go through the Include Site setup, SaT asks you to press F10 when the Fold button is visible. it then grabs the color of the fold button. so when you play, whenever SaT sees that color, it thinks the Fold button is visible, and it moves the table to the grid

most likely, on your skin, the pre-action checkboxes are the same color as the actual fold button. so, before you have action, you get the checkboxes to fold/call/etc before its your turn. i reckon that those checkboxes are the same color as the real Fold button when it does become your turn to act. so SaT is seeing the color of the checkbox, and thinking that the Fold button is visible, when in fact it is not.

if this is the problem you are having, unfortunately, the only real solution for it is to play on another skin with different graphics, or to modify the graphics of your table manually so that the checkbox color is different from the actual fold button. there is a recommended mod listed here:

http://www.stackandtile.com/sat/help/ipoker

Is this program works fine with this mod?
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=102

Can we pay with paysafe or moneybookers?