You forgot to click the Sum check box. It must look like this below to get the propper results. Note you do not want to enable moving averages for this stat, it would not properly corrolate if you did.



- TT

Yep that fixed it, thank you.

In PT3 you can import lots of hands for data mining played by many other players and you can easily analyze them without to be necessary to choose a player name as a hero like in PT4. You can see for example Flop Equity of the hero hand of all hands played not only for the specified hero name.
How you could do this in PT4 ? I really need this.

Thank you !

I think it is awesome for sure but I am really missing that point. When you do the quizz you also can also choose "Hero`s range: costum". Why can`t you do this when you analyze some of your hands you played. If you know of some opponents that they definitely minraise very strong hands you might want to take them out of their pushing range. You can take them out in the quizz. Why can`t you do this when you analyze some of the hands you played? I think this would help alot.

Oh right, thankyou very much for your help, is is all 1c/2c PLO, i didnt realise you get more VPP per dolla, i thought it was $1 = 5.5 VPP.

is 5c/10c 10VPP too?

Thanks for your help, I must admit, i started using the PT4 beta as it was free basically, but the more im using it im finding it really helpful, and when avaliable i will 100% buy it, will it be a one off fee, or lower for lower steaks, like HM2 does?

I'm afraid PokerTracker was not designed to be a datamining tool, it is a personal hand history tracker. Our software follows the terms and conditions of all poker sites that we support, but we have no way of stop dataminers from using our software outside of our intentions. The policing of datamining sites has to be conducted by the sites themselves, not PokerTracker, as PokerStars showed this week with their shutting down of Poker Table Ratings. Any tool that is designed for good such as our software can also be used for bad, we do our best to discourage using our software for this use unless it is explicitly permitted by the online poker site's terms of service.

In closing, we will happily help you use PokerTracker as it was intended to be used, but if you are a dataminer I am afraid we cannot help you accomplish this goal.

- TT

Probably a silly question,

Playing HUSNG's, what is the "Overlay Net Adjusted" option, and I also thought we would have all in ev line for prizes in Pokertracker 4.

Thanks.

We are not missing the point... that is what we design the equity calculator to be used for. The ICM calculator is an automated system, working with ranges is the intention. I'm sorry, but it is far too late to change the functionality at this stage.

- TT

On Leaks tracker:
It shows your values but it didn't show to me what is the right interval which is considered optimal for these stats. You should fix that.
Thank you !

The green area shows the range of optimal values, with the pale grey being marginal for successful players.
The "Fold to X Bet" ranges are not displayed correctly at the moment, but the other stats' ranges are correct as far as I'm aware.

--WhiteRider

ok,

Another problem, in the opening screen, my `todays hands` has me at $7.62 won, if i go into my view stats tab, it has me at $11.82, so im guessing its missing some hands, how do i sort this?

Also, is there a stat for VPP per hand?

Is "Today's Hands" showing all of your hands from today? If it is set to show only the last 100 hands, for instance, you won't see your full day's play.
Are you looking at only hands from today's play in the View Stats tab?

--WhiteRider

EV does not exist in PokerTracker 4, actual EV cannot be calculated. In PT3 we used the term all-in EV, this is not the same as actual EV. In PT4 we removed the term All-in EV, instead we use the term All-in Equity. All me to explain why...

The definition of EV is the expected value of a decision vs an opponents likely range of hands. As you know, it takes a human being to predict an opponent's range of hands, since PokerTracker cannot determine ranges we decided to remove the term EV from the stat, instead we renamed the stat "all-in Equity adjusted". This more correctly describes what the stat does, we determine the equity at the time when all opponents are all in (with some adjustments for multiway pots) and then adjust the gross pot to determine the net adjusted winnings when factoring in equity. For example if you are an 80% favorite to win a $100 pot at the time when all players are all-in (no further action possible to determine the outcome of the hand except for another street to come) then the all-in equity adjusted winnings would be $80. For more details on our decision, please read this excellent article - https://www.pokertracker.com/blog/20...-all-in-equity

In tournaments we take this even further when we can, the Net Adjusted stat uses the Tournament Auto Detection process for Single Table Tournaments, this allows PokerTracker to calculate the ICM difference of the odds adjusted results of all-in hands that occurred the tournament. Net Adjusted results are used to compare actual results against a luck-neutral theoretical result. In essence, this is a more accurate equivalent to EV in a single table tournament. At multi table tournaments the Net Adjusted stat will equal the actual result of the tournament, at single table tournaments it will also equal the actual result of the tournament unless Auto Detect is performed.

We are aware that this is a complicated topic to grasp, let me know if you have further questions.


Please see this post above to download and install the custom VPP stat- http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=1966

- TT

Yes to both, all hands, 986 in todays hands, 985 in the other...


Also - the VPP custom stat just does a total, and not an average per hand?

We need to see a screen capture at a minimum, logs would also help. If you are showing the same amount of hands and there is no filter active, then the numbers should be exactly the same - as they are on all of our test machines. If you can show us the evidence, then please submit a support ticket so we can track your issue since it is likely associated to your specific machine.

Follow these instructions: https://www.pokertracker.com/guides/...support-ticket

That is correct, the VPP custom stat created by PokerTracker is used for results, not for individual hands.

ok, i mean i know what hand its not importing into the view stats tab as it was largish, so i know which one it is, anything i can try with this specific one?

No. The definition of EV is the weighted average of a random variable defined on a probability space. And it makes perfect sense and can be computed in an all-in situation when all cards are exposed. This also refutes the idea that we can determine the EV only when exactly two players are dealt into the hand.

Of course the scope of EV is wider, but whether you call it all-in EV or all-in equity really makes no difference.

The problem with earlier implementations was that it was computed also when one player was all in, but others had money behind.

Just my two bits.

Please follow the directions in the previous "PokerTracker" reply by my colleague. Be sure to include the hand history file for the relevant hand, and tell us the number of the hand in question.
Thanks.

--WhiteRider

That may be the case with competitive products, but not PokerTracker. PokerTracker 3 waits until all players are all-in to calculate, and in some cases the hand is disallowed because it cannot be accurately calculated. Additionally many sites do not reveal hole cards unless the hero is the losing player in an all-in situation, in these cases the stat cannot be calculated, introducing further bias. Please read this article for an explanation of the differences between PT3's All-In EV implementation and our competitor's implementation, it will help you understand the bias that is introduced with both models. This article is an eye opener for most players who have learned to use tracking software with the incorrect assumption that All-In EV in multi-way pots without knowledge of some opponent's hands is an accurate measurement of luck - https://www.pokertracker.com/blog/20...-all-in-equity.


- TT

is there already a new theme avaible to avoid having the % show when the results get shown on the table? It takes way to much space... Would be great help.

Thx

You have a few options. (1) change deck theme. (2) alter your favorite deck theme in photoshop to make the cards smaller. (3) disable mucked cards at showdown.

There is a theming guide available on our website, you can find it my selecting support, PokerTracker 4, Guides.

- TT

(I'm not in front of my computer to verify my answer above, if I made a mistake then one of the PT team members will post a correction shortly.)

I did read that "excellent essay" and I'm not impressed.

What does that even mean? Expected value is a mathematical concept which describes the average result over all possible outcomes. It is not more "forward-looking" than the All-in EV stat. Our expected value at any point in a hand depends on the information we have - our cards, the board, possibly our opponent's hand range - as well as our opponents' and our own strategy. (The fact that it depends on our own strategy on further streets leads me to the opinion that we cannot speak of the EV of an isolated decision as was done earlier in this thread.) Equity on the other hand disregards strategies and simply assumes that no further money goes into the pot.

In a situation where the effective stacks are 0, that is, all players involved are all-in, there is no more strategy, and hence the concepts of expected value and equity coincide.

This is simply stated without any justification in order to support the author's general statement, and until I see a proof I think this is simply not true. Accounting for all situations where all players who still have cards are all-in should have no bias whatsoever.

I agree that if holecards are revealed only when Hero loses, then no all-in EV can be computed; and it is also true that you can't take into account pots where one player is all-in but others still have money left. However in other situations - for example in heads-up pots on a 9-max table - all-in EV makes perfect sense.

In summary, looking at Hwang's conclusion:

I think that both parts have been refuted.

Make reports easy to read in order to help us to create them more easy.
The more easy to use it will be, the more customers you will have.
Get the idea ?

Let's take a look !

Just look how a HoldemManager reports looks like when it is opened in Notepad:
It shows the hands grouped by hand at showdown, amount won, BB/100 hands and so on. Everything is being sorted on columns and rows so you can easy see and understand what is there.

HoldemManager Report:
As you can see you can easy read them and easy edit them and very easy to understand that language so you could modify them or create new one.

Now let's see one from PT4:


Do you get the idea ?

PLEASE STOP ENCRYPTING THEM !!!

Have you tried opening them with a Unicode compliant editor?

Please show to me step by step how could I create a report like this in PT4 for tournaments:


As you can see in the picture the name of the report is "Hand at showdown" and it shows hand you had on the river, amount won and all other stats. By click for example on the "full house" hands shown in report, then you will get listed below (as the red arrow shows) all the hands you had a full house.

Please show to me step by step how could I create a report like this for tournaments !
By doing this I want to prove to me that it is easy to use like Holdem Manager is na dif you convince me the I am your PT4 customer !

Thank You !