everytime i import converted hands into pt4. im getting alot of hand errors.
over 10% of my hands. any reason why this might be?

So, I'm not sure exactly when this started happening yet, but, opponents cards are not shown in the converted HH (haven't checked original HH yet) when all in. So, for the entire month of June (at least) I have been running exactly at ev.

This is using 1.0.30 and PT 4.10.9.


Do I have to use the new "enable known hole cards" option? Or is that just to show all hole cards like in the original Bovada HHs?

edit: Nvm, use the option

This is helpful, I didn't even know there was such an option with the converter til now.

I am not a real "computers guy" and have always taken default install paths with HM2 and Bovada Hand History Converter.

Last night I requested a download of 1400 zone hands from my "desktop" computer and this morning bovada indicated they were ready to open...I then opened the bovada HH converter and, wallah, they converted just fine like every other time.. So I think I know what caused my original problem but I still don't know how to solve it.

My wife has a friend staying at our house by my poker station (desktop computer). soo on my laptop in another room I was on bovada and requested a download of my previous days sessions around 3-5k in hands...The next day I opened bovada from my desktop and saw that the files had been downloaded and were ready to open...I, then opened the bovada hand history converter and got the little message indicating there were no text files to download.

What I am deducing from this is that because I requested the download from a computer other then my desktop poker station, the files were not saved on my desktop poker station.

So FreakDaddy can you help me out? How can I extract these files? This was like two days of non stop play that bumped my bankroll by 30%. I really want to find them and import them to HM2.

Thanks,

We've sent e-mail about this a couple of times, and it's been discussed a ton in this thread (sometimes one post right above the previous ).

Neither HM2 or PT4 support known hole cards anymore. Both of those companies made a decision to block known hole cards from importing. Without embarrassing either company for why they went this route, NJ gaming also put pressure on these companies to block known hole cards because they "feel it would hinder their business". This is all a part of the political jostling that is happening with bovada and some other US supported sites, and why they are pulling out of these markets.

It's all pretty stupid in all honesty, and I'm not going to go into any more specifics other than to say that if you want known hole cards, then you need the latest version of the converter (.30 or later), and an older version of HM2 or PT4. The latest version of the converter will detect your HM2 version and recommend a version that will work with known hole cards. We do not have this feature in for PT4.

Yeah, this is one of the other reasons I guess I mentioned in another response. If you request a download on one system, and then leave before they are downloaded, they will download on the next system that you login to bovada with.

As far as moving the files, you need to just go to the bovada HH directory on your other system (c:/bovada/hand history/... (then some number)

Copy those files onto a thumb drive, or e-mail them to yourself. Save them to your new system and then point the converter to where you saved these other files. The rest will take care of itself.

Usually they will still import, but PT is 30x more picky and can't correct small issues (like an extra space in a file, or hand being cut off) in importing like HM2 can. Get the latest version of the converter though (.31) and this should correct your errors.

Apologies, I misunderstood. I thought the ongoing talk in here about hole cards was related to getting all of the hole cards to show (like in the original HH) in PT/HM.

I have not updated PT4 to their new version so other sites still have been showing as normal. I don't even know what to say about this change from PT/HM.

I am curious as to why they have done this, thanks for the info.

Thanks

No worries. I don't even want to try and explain because I just get frustrated. It's all just ridiculously stupid imho.

Any ways, hopefully you have the versions working well together. We'll put in a check for PT4 here soon as well so you can downgrade if you want this feature enabled.

YW! If you get stuck, let me know.

Forgive me for not reading all 90 pages - I understand why ALL the hole cards can't be shown in Poker Tracker, but it seems like they shouldn't have any problem showing known hole cards, right? This wouldn't screw up the All-in EV graph. In fact, without the known hole cards, it doesn't work at all.

It really takes a lot out of your review when you can't see what the guy had when you lost to him at showdown. It would be great if you could negotiate some way to let this happen. Or is it a coding issue?

If it goes to showdown you can see the hands. It's non showdown hands that are the issue. These used to work, PT and HM decided to block them from being shown.

fwiw I saw the bug Pokerho mentioned. I detailed it in a post a couple weeks ago. All cards were actually being blocked. I don't remember the version combos but it's gone now. Kinda made me giggle.

Ok, thanks dark horse. Ya, there might have been a PT4 issue a while back. Download the latest from the ace poker solutions website and install (it should be .31) and you should be fine.

I didn't read all the posts in this thread, but I've read a bunch. Apparently PT blocked known hole cards, then HM did too. But my PT4 (version 4.11 from 5-29) works fine as far as known hole cards. Does the converter do some kind of work around, or is it just because I have mostly Zone histories? I don't get it.

I downloaded the new version of the hand converter and it was working fine with HM2 until the 6th and now it wont show me anyone's cards expect my own. Is there a way to fix this?

I think I figured it out. I didn't have Enable known hole cards checked in the hand converter. Is there a way to go back and convert all the hand histories I dint have this checked for?

Yes, I am confused as well. I have not updated PT past 4.10.9 which was working just fine. I have updated the converter to .31 and without the "enable known hole cards" feature checked, all in hands that go to showdown (obv) don't show opponents hole cards anymore.

It seems there is no "standard" way of importing converted hands now. Perhaps when i finally upgrade PT4 I will gain some more understanding of this subject. All known cards, even shown down, from all sites are being blocked by PT with their current versions? No mucked hand displays or ev graphs on any sites?

It seems there is a bit of confusion as to what is going on lately. Should I be able to import hands with the converter where villain showed their hand at showdown and they are actually shown in PT with the PT ver I have? Did the converter have to compensate for the newest ver of PT and that's why hands aren't shown the way they always have?

Yeah this is what is happening.

And this doesn't work. I am confused.

How is your new program, Bovada Catcher, doing on solving the problem of stats not lining up with the correct seat? Would it be possible to have a "rotate" button?

Hey does anyone know of a combo that will allow me to use pt3 and see all hole cards? Thx in advance! Hoping I won't have to upgrade to pt4.

Hey FreakDaddy, just noticed that I can't see all my known hole cards on pt3. My converter had the old version that was right before the newest one and I up graded it to the newest one and still no luck. It does show my winning known hole cards but missing a lot of hole cards that went to show down and lost. What's ur thoughts? Do I need to delete all the existing hands in pt3 n import them all again with the new version? Lmk n thx!

What version of PT4 do I need to rectify this issue and how do I get it?

No hands are being shown (not even those that go to showdown)
EV line is incorrect since June 1st, 2014.

Notes:
Currently using PT4 v.4.10.5
Currently using BHC v.1.0.31


Any help would be appreciated, thank you.

It's fine. This isn't a function of our program actually. But if you rotate them into the correct spots and save, it will stay correct after every launch.