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03-05-2011 , 02:20 AM
When do we expect HM will be paying out Fifty50's correctly?

Also, it was shown in another thread and confirmed by SNGwiz staff that the eqivalent ICM payout structure for this format is 60,10,10,10,10. So with this can be expect to see the "redline" fixed for these also?
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03-05-2011 , 03:40 AM
Why is my HEM importing my 2 player HUSNG on stars as finishing in 4th place?
The stats don't make any sense.

How do I correct the finish positions?

I have just updated to the recent version will this help future imports?
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03-05-2011 , 04:49 AM
Fozzy, im primarily a ftp player but recently have been playing on stars and i am finding that the HUD is all messed up on my stars tables, all of the stats are there but not next to the correct player, if i click and drag that box to the appropriate players on 1 table, they will be all out of order on another. how do i fix this?

running the latest release.
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03-05-2011 , 08:01 AM
Hi, I dont see a filter that lets me look specifically at river play. It lets me look at a bunch of different river scenarios, but not at the street overall as far as I can tell. If there is a way to look at that, I would love to know. Thanks.


Also, your EV calc tilts me to no end. You have it so if we ech put in 98% of stacks on the turn and one person has 4 outs, catches it and puts the last 2% in OTR w/ 100% equity, that the person fading 4 outs is -100% of the pot in AI EV. Its silly. Just make it so that any insignificant bet put in on the river is counted as being put in on the turn. It has its flaws obviously, but it will be much more accurate than it is now, afaik.

Last edited by gimmetheloot; 03-05-2011 at 08:24 AM.
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03-05-2011 , 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Laois Hammer
Is it possible to manually enter offline tournaments into holdem manager??

Cheers in advance.
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Originally Posted by fozzy71
No, this is not possible.

Feel free to suggest it here, if it hasn't been suggested already - http://forums.holdemmanager.com/suggestions-forums/
Are you sure?

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03-05-2011 , 08:42 AM
hi, my hud doesnt work on ongame (bestpoker). The table manager doesnt find the tables im at, and so the hud doesnt obviously show up either.

otherwise the import works just fine and the reports section is updating the right results all the time, so its just something with the tablemanager and hud.

can anyone help?
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03-05-2011 , 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by wayneking7
When do we expect HM will be paying out Fifty50's correctly?

Also, it was shown in another thread and confirmed by SNGwiz staff that the eqivalent ICM payout structure for this format is 60,10,10,10,10. So with this can be expect to see the "redline" fixed for these also?

I asked them yesterday again, they said about at least a week ... thought also this is a easy change and really would like this feature as the games are pretty reginfested and I`m not that confident with the format yet
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03-05-2011 , 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by wannyn
Hello Fozzy/morny

once again I experienced the classic 127.0.0.0 cannot connect error.

I updated to the most recent version (1.11.6 internal1) and did this:

http://forums.holdemmanager.com/mana...-0-1-a-12.html

Then also HEM asked me to update my License (?) which I did.

So far so good (I think), at least it started up again but now it is also not importing hands. Some prefetch data shows up as a HUD (but only maybe on 15% of all players). It doesn't update though, also no data is collected under the sessions tab.

Also, maybe related, my PS client also lost all its personal settings (layout etc) this same day. It's like all my poker software had a brain aneurism all at once.

Can you please advise?

thanks
Make sure pokerstars and hm are both setup properly.

http://faq.holdemmanager.com/questio...er+Stars+Setup

Please install the latest version: http://www.holdemmanager.com/Downloads/HmUpdate.exe and go to Filter > Clear and then Filter > Use for all. Also try enabling the Options > Settings... > Miscellaneous > [x] Auto apply filter changes to all tabs

*Try creating a new UTF DB - http://faq.holdemmanager.com/questio...elete+Database
*Now import a small portion of your \HMArchive so you can see if the problem exists in the new DB - http://faq.holdemmanager.com/questio...6+Export+Hands
*If the new DB seems to work properly, you will want to import the rest of your archives to the new DB, export/import the hands from the old DB to the new DB, and export/import any player notes and tourney summaries - and then delete the old DB.
*Make sure you export/backup everything before deleting the old DB - http://faq.holdemmanager.com/questio...+-+Backup+Tips


If you still get errors, Please www.7-zip.org the hands and email them to me at fozzy@holdemmanager.net, with a link to this thread and your forum name.


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Originally Posted by wayneking7
When do we expect HM will be paying out Fifty50's correctly?

Also, it was shown in another thread and confirmed by SNGwiz staff that the eqivalent ICM payout structure for this format is 60,10,10,10,10. So with this can be expect to see the "redline" fixed for these also?
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Originally Posted by NiSash1337
I asked them yesterday again, they said about at least a week ... thought also this is a easy change and really would like this feature as the games are pretty reginfested and I`m not that confident with the format yet
Yes, a week or more, is the last estimate, but we all know how deadlines are when it comes to software releases.


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Originally Posted by huntypro
Why is my HEM importing my 2 player HUSNG on stars as finishing in 4th place?
The stats don't make any sense.

How do I correct the finish positions?

I have just updated to the recent version will this help future imports?
This is a known bug that we are still working on. If you want to send me some hand histories I can attach them to the bug for internal testing when the developers give us a beta to test.

Please www.7-zip.org the hands and email them to me at fozzy@holdemmanager.net, with a link to this thread and your forum name.


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Originally Posted by coinflipper
Fozzy, im primarily a ftp player but recently have been playing on stars and i am finding that the HUD is all messed up on my stars tables, all of the stats are there but not next to the correct player, if i click and drag that box to the appropriate players on 1 table, they will be all out of order on another. how do i fix this?

running the latest release.
1) Close HM and the Table Manager.
2) Delete your existing position files, so HM will rebuild them to default.
3) Delete > \Holdem Manager\Config\pospref.txt and pospref2.txt, and pospref4.txt.
4) configure your poker client preferred seating and seating preferences in HM accordingly - http://faq.holdemmanager.com/questio...or+Poker+Stars
5) Setup HUD pre-fetch: http://faq.holdemmanager.com/questio...h+Walkthrough+ (if on stars or ftp). Also, under Options > Configure Auto Import Folders... > click Auto-Detect > OK
6) open one cash Table and adjust the HUD while observing. Move the stats with the right mouse key to the correct positions.
7) Then sit and play at least one hand so you can make sure the hero hud is positioned properly.
8) Table manager -> File -> Save positions
9) Now you can open further tables but you will always have to play at least one hand for the stats being moved to the correct positions.


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Originally Posted by gimmetheloot
Hi, I dont see a filter that lets me look specifically at river play. It lets me look at a bunch of different river scenarios, but not at the street overall as far as I can tell. If there is a way to look at that, I would love to know. Thanks.
I am not sure if what you are asking is possible, but filters are my weakest subject. Perhaps try searching or posting a thread in this sub-forum to see if there is a custom report that can do it for you.

http://forums.holdemmanager.com/custom-reports/


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Also, your EV calc tilts me to no end. You have it so if we ech put in 98% of stacks on the turn and one person has 4 outs, catches it and puts the last 2% in OTR w/ 100% equity, that the person fading 4 outs is -100% of the pot in AI EV. Its silly. Just make it so that any insignificant bet put in on the river is counted as being put in on the turn. It has its flaws obviously, but it will be much more accurate than it is now, afaik.
This has been debated for years, so I am just going to post an excerpt from a canned response:

........

**CASH EV**

What EV can do / how it can be used:
Any allin situation, before the river, where a player has at least one "out" results in a EV $ Diff.
$Won + EV $ Diff = $USD EV
(AA vs KK is the most fun example... AK vs QQ is the most common "coinflip")

The "problem" what some people don't understand:
A: If a player has 0 outs, or
B: the allin situation takes place on the river there is NO EV DIFFERENCE.
C: If a shortstack goes allin preflop, and is called by two bigstacks. And the two bigstacks continue to bet on the flop, turn or river, this situation is treated as situation B. (EV = 0)
"You can't calculate all-in equity if you don't know the hands you are up against."
D: If you commit 80% of your stack with the best hand, but your last 20% goes allin with the worst hand, the $EV Difference will be calculated by your entire stack.

Why "EV by street" (which people who often see situation D want) is a bad thing:
Best explanation here - http://forums.holdemmanager.com/3rd-...er-sect-7.html

Summary of that thread:
Example:
- you have AA, you raise to 80% of your stack, donkey calls, flop comes K83 rainbow.
- you then go all-in, no matter the flop, because you're committed.
- out of 100 times, 88 times donkey folds.
- 12 times donkeys calls with a set (33/88/KK).
What shall EV by street bogusly do? It shall do no computations for the 88 times where donkey folded--> "no more calculation".
What shall EV by street do the 12 times where donkey calls with a set? "Show that donkey sucked out and that you got unlucky".

So although you ran obviously uber-good by having donkey folding 88 times out of 100. EV by street focuses on the 12 times where donkey hit his set and tells that you're running below EV.
This is a well-known gambler fallacy. And this is why "EV by street" is completely bogus and should not be implemented.

Note: Tristanblue writes "it's precisely because EV by street does nothing to your adjusted-graph on these cases where the opponent folded that it is completely bogus."
But what if your opponent never folds? Suppose there are two players A and B.
Player A has AA, B has KK. (both have $100 stacks). They commit half their stack preflop and the flop comes AK6. Player B (KK has 1 "out") to win the hand.
If I would play this hand I would always make sure I'm allin on the turn.
However Player X always commits the rest of his stack on the flop and turn *except for one dollar*. And he commits on the river.
Of course, 4% of the time, the rivercard is the case King. Player X's EV Diff is always 0.
My EV Diff is -$4 (96 out of 100 times) and +$96 (4 out of 100 times)
So our EV graph actually looks the same after 100 of these hands.

.........


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Originally Posted by 1p0kerboy
Are you sure?

Hehe, I stand corrected. I see this now, on this FAQ page - http://faq.holdemmanager.com/questio...lts+Sub-Tab%29

There is a 'manual entry' button in between the 2 windows, on the Tourney > Results > Dataview tab.


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Originally Posted by plo&snus
hi, my hud doesnt work on ongame (bestpoker). The table manager doesnt find the tables im at, and so the hud doesnt obviously show up either.

otherwise the import works just fine and the reports section is updating the right results all the time, so its just something with the tablemanager and hud.

can anyone help?
Please update to the latest version - http://www.holdemmanager.com/Downloads/HmUpdate.exe


1) Export any custom HUD configs and Copy/Paste your \Config folder before deleting any files as a backup.
2) Close HM and the Table Manager.
3) Delete your existing HUD Prefs files, so HM will rebuild them to default.
4) Delete > \Holdem Manager\Config\prefs.xml, pospref.txt, and pospref2.txt, and pospref4.txt and exenames.txt
5) Start HM< Auto Import, Open the Table Manager, and test on a single cash table.

Try the table finder again - http://faq.holdemmanager.com/questio...inderToShowHUD

Make sure you follow the directions exactly.

Pick the table name in the table finder window to highlight it

Left-click and drag the red X to that table window

Click OK


If you are still unable to get it working Please email support@holdemmanager.com, with a link to this thread, and your forum name, so we can schedule a Teamviewer session. Download the Teamviewer Quick Support Module - http://www.holdemmanager.com/teamviewer. Please let me know what time zone you are in and what time/days are convenient for you. I schedule support from 9:00 - 18:00 EST, 7 days a week.
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03-05-2011 , 03:52 PM
Have used the trail on my computer before and had a lot of trouble with the whole set up. Now I'm buying it and because I intend to use it on my ordinary computer and on my new laptop I wonder which computer I should install it on first before I attempt to use the license on the other?
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03-05-2011 , 04:06 PM
Thanks Fozzy! The box got unticked when my PS somehow forgot all my settings
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03-05-2011 , 04:23 PM
So I primarily play on FT and everything works fine. I've tried getting my hud to work when I play on PS but I can't get it to work. The tables are showing up on table manager and I try relaunching the hud multiple times but can't get anything to show.

What do I need to do?
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03-05-2011 , 04:42 PM
Are you EVER going to fix the hyper turbos? Stop saying it's on your to-do list and fix it. Jesus. Manually entering results every day is such a waste of time!
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03-05-2011 , 04:43 PM
Why the **** are you working on 50-50 payouts when the hyper payouts have been wrong for a year now with no help? Just screw the hyper players?
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03-05-2011 , 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Tryst_
http://faq.holdemmanager.com/questio...olor+in+Graphs

fozzy answered this for me...i opened the file and it is all chinese symbols wtf?

�쪺厄娏㥪竖�嘞熰嫝딞⌫�䪤噩㞥�嬰ṏ◨찦먔㷌鉙ꁓ끳摺⾋鬢韚ꀈ琟鷅ᢱ∹豊淵彤
Hai fozzy, it worked!!! I haz pink ev now thanks!
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03-05-2011 , 06:24 PM
My HEM is mad slow any way i can speed it up ?thx
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03-05-2011 , 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by fozzy71
The fix for deep tables wasn't in the internal/pre-release version. It should be working in the 'official release' version, one post above this one.
i installed the above and pokerstars still lags while hem is running its unplayable. any ideas? anyone who can fix this asap gets $15 on stars or tilt. pm me.
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03-05-2011 , 10:42 PM
norton was interfering with hem fixed now
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03-06-2011 , 03:22 AM
when playing heads-up on party on 6-max table the HUD thinks it is a hu table and each time i have to manually make it a 6-max table which i dont want to do each time since it is time consuming

this started when I updated to 1.11.06a. i dont remember which version i was using before but i didnt have that problem then

i also updated to the latest beta just now but still same problem

when is this going to be fixed or is there something i can do already?
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03-06-2011 , 04:33 AM
in this hand I had 67% equity in roughly $300 main pot. EV $ diff shows $196 which is (i believe) is about $100 lower than it should be (~$200 in EV, -$96 at showdown)

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $1(BB) Replayer
SB ($132)
BB ($215)
Hero ($125)
UTG+1 ($100)
UTG+2 ($107)
MP1 ($94.55)
MP2 ($118)
CO ($96.15)
BTN ($166)

Dealt to Hero A A

Hero raises to $3.50, UTG+1 raises to $10, fold, fold, MP2 calls $10, CO calls $10, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $125 (AI), UTG+1 calls $90 (AI), fold, CO calls $86.15 (AI)

FLOP ($307) 9 2 Q

TURN ($307) 9 2 Q 8

RIVER ($307) 9 2 Q 8 6

CO shows 2 2
(Pre 15%, Flop 80.1%, Turn 90.5%)

Hero shows A A
(Pre 67%, Flop 9.6%, Turn 4.8%)

UTG+1 shows K K
(Pre 18%, Flop 10.3%, Turn 4.8%)

CO wins $296
Hero wins $7.70

is it a HEM glitch or is it my poor understanding of what EV $ diff is?
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03-06-2011 , 04:42 AM
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Originally Posted by ZuluWarrior
in this hand I had 67% equity in roughly $300 main pot. EV $ diff shows $196 which is (i believe) is about $100 lower than it should be (~$200 in EV, -$96 at showdown)

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $1(BB) Replayer
SB ($132)
BB ($215)
Hero ($125)
UTG+1 ($100)
UTG+2 ($107)
MP1 ($94.55)
MP2 ($118)
CO ($96.15)
BTN ($166)

Dealt to Hero A A

Hero raises to $3.50, UTG+1 raises to $10, fold, fold, MP2 calls $10, CO calls $10, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $125 (AI), UTG+1 calls $90 (AI), fold, CO calls $86.15 (AI)

FLOP ($307) 9 2 Q

TURN ($307) 9 2 Q 8

RIVER ($307) 9 2 Q 8 6

CO shows 2 2
(Pre 15%, Flop 80.1%, Turn 90.5%)

Hero shows A A
(Pre 67%, Flop 9.6%, Turn 4.8%)

UTG+1 shows K K
(Pre 18%, Flop 10.3%, Turn 4.8%)

CO wins $296
Hero wins $7.70

is it a HEM glitch or is it my poor understanding of what EV $ diff is?
you got 0 when you "should have gotten" 0.67x the main pot which is ~200 so the ev difference is correct

edit: just to add: your ev is ~200 of the pot. it is not +200 to your starting stack, only +~100

so the difference between -96 and +100 is the ev difference
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03-06-2011 , 06:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Lessu
edit: just to add: your ev is ~200 of the pot. it is not +200 to your starting stack, only +~100
yes, no wonder I'm so bad
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03-06-2011 , 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Gomery
Have used the trail on my computer before and had a lot of trouble with the whole set up. Now I'm buying it and because I intend to use it on my ordinary computer and on my new laptop I wonder which computer I should install it on first before I attempt to use the license on the other?
I replied to your PM. It should not matter which machine you install it to first.

The same code can be used on 2 pc's at once and can be reset as often as needed.

Please try using our site to register your current/new license. If your code isn't there already you can upload it manually and then reset the code whenever necessary.

https://www.holdemmanager.com/store/login.php


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Originally Posted by xemericankidx
So I primarily play on FT and everything works fine. I've tried getting my hud to work when I play on PS but I can't get it to work. The tables are showing up on table manager and I try relaunching the hud multiple times but can't get anything to show.

What do I need to do?
Which Operating System, Firewall, and Anti-Virus are you using?

Please update to the latest release - http://www.holdemmanager.com/Downloads/HmUpdate.exe


Make sure the hand histories and poker client are in English. Set your Windows Regional and Language Settings to English (US). Restart your PC.


Try the table finder - http://faq.holdemmanager.com/questio...r+to+Show+HUD+

Make sure you follow the directions exactly.

Pick the table name in the table finder window to highlight it

If you don't see a table name listed, please drag the red X to the table and click OK. Open the Table Finder again and the list should be populated with the table name now, so you can select it.

Left-click and drag the red X to that table window

Click OK


*If that doesn't help, please answer these questions - http://faq.holdemmanager.com/questio...esn't+Work

*Post the answers in a new thread on the HM Forums - http://forums.holdemmanager.com/index.php


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Originally Posted by Sly Caveat
Are you EVER going to fix the hyper turbos? Stop saying it's on your to-do list and fix it. Jesus. Manually entering results every day is such a waste of time!
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Originally Posted by Sly Caveat
Why the **** are you working on 50-50 payouts when the hyper payouts have been wrong for a year now with no help? Just screw the hyper players?
I have no control over bug priorities. That is decided by the managers and developers. I never said that the hypers weren't being worked on. Both bugs are on the high-priority must fix list.


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Originally Posted by mg0698
My HEM is mad slow any way i can speed it up ?thx
Which Operating System, Firewall, and Anti-Virus are you using?

Make sure windows is fully updated and change your Windows Control Panel > Regional Settings Format to English (USA).

If you have any 3rd party security software installed please uninstall it temporarily, enable Windows Firewall's recommended settings through your Control Panel, and install Microsoft Security Essentials for antivirus/malware protection while we try to solve this.

Please update to the latest version - http://www.holdemmanager.com/Downloads/HmUpdate.exe


http://faq.holdemmanager.com/questio...6+Speed+Tweaks

http://faq.holdemmanager.com/questio...D+Performance+


I would suggest you do the majority of the things in this thread: http://www.holdemmanager.net/forum/s...ad.php?t=11194

Some of the most important things, imo:

- Remove the WinnerName, WinnerCards and WinnerWon from the Options > Hands View Column Selection.
- Turning off logging and deleting existing logs
- Vacuum/Full/Analyze, then Reindex - http://faq.holdemmanager.com/questio...tabase+#manual
- Defrag last and make sure you stop the postgresql service before you defrag. I personally use Smart Defrag.
- Do a Cold Boot (Shut Down > Start) before you use HM again


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Originally Posted by Lessu
when playing heads-up on party on 6-max table the HUD thinks it is a hu table and each time i have to manually make it a 6-max table which i dont want to do each time since it is time consuming

this started when I updated to 1.11.06a. i dont remember which version i was using before but i didnt have that problem then

i also updated to the latest beta just now but still same problem

when is this going to be fixed or is there something i can do already?
This should have been fixed in the last release when they did the 9/10 max bug fix.

Please reproduce the problem and post a screen shot of your desktop - http://graphicssoft.about.com/cs/gen...screenshot.htm

with the following:

1) The table manager
2) The tables (including one with no stats)
3) The ...handhistory\screenname folder.
4) The "\rvg software\holdem manager\importing\hud data" folder AND the '\hem data' folder. Please Zip these folders and pics, and email them, with a link to this thread and your forum name, to support@holdemmanager.com

Please make 3 and 4 the detailed view with the dates and file sizes etc.



Thx for answering the EV question, as I truly hate those questions.
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03-06-2011 , 04:03 PM
Is there a popup stat for check/fold flop as the PFR? Or would you just have to look at cbet stats and c/r as PFR and infer?
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03-06-2011 , 04:40 PM
I never put in my code, and my trial ended. Now it says i need to activate but it doesnt even have a code... Ive tried to do all of the steps in forums but nothing works. It just will only let me choose pc #1 or pc#2 and it wont let me put in another code. What should i do?
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03-06-2011 , 06:35 PM
Want to buy the small stakes version of HEM. Is there a way to pay using Stars or FTP $$ and not necessarily through credit card? Also, is there a coupon code or something that'll give me a few bucks off or something?
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