Or was it brilliantly subverting the noir trope into a sort of boredom-noir?

*I don't care what anyone else thinks I though the final 2 episodes were pretty great.

*I think the major flaw of this season was that there were about 50 too many characters and plotlines. I don't know what NP was thinking, 9 hours is not enough to have such a vast cast of chracters and so many little plots.

*I agree VV was misscast in this, but I did feel pretty sorry for him when he was dying, so there's still that.

*There are some stupid things in this thread. Like CF wasn't running around frantically in the end to desperately send that message, that message was just a bonus thing (a pretty stupid one, I agree) to make us feel sorry for him. I even think he always knew (when he shook VV's hand on the parking lot) he had to die and that the only way to make sure his family wasn't at risk was for his cut of the money to be found. Though that might be me making it too complicated .

*The second biggest flaw of this season was that there was no one there to slap NP when he wrote another stupid line. Remove most of the complexity and 90% of the cringe lines and this could have been a great show. They could've filled up those 3 extra hours with boobs .

*While this deff wasn't good TV, the hate ITT is really over-the-top. The only thing that you can argue that made this show worse than about 65% of all televion shows out there is that TD S2 didn't realise that it was a very mediocre television show. Besides that, this was still pretty okay compared to all the crap out there.

*Final score 5,5/10. Will probably rewatch out of curiousity at one point whether it does any better on a second rewatch. The show is complex enough for that to probably be true. But it still wont be a good television show .

CF absolutely was frantically running around trying to send that message. Did you miss the part where his phone said that the upload failed? He was having a very hard time getting it uploaded, and was doing everything he could to get it uploaded before his imminent death. The misdirection was that we almost thought he was doing something important, like sending backup copies of the files to his son's email.

Again, as a season of a TV show, True Detective was better than average. As a season of True Detective...yeah, no.

Not killing CF when birdmask shot him point blank was a mistake, even though he was the best character by a large margin, it would have made a lot more of the scenes that were meant to be intense more interesting knowing that nobody was off limits

I don't think this is the exact interpretation the show intended the audience to make. Woodrugh says he thinks he's walking into a trap before walking all the way up the stairs, he then sees his lover, then says he'll call back. The actor is suppose to convey a) that he thinks maybe it's not a trap, 2) confusion, then iii) anger and finally a desperation to get the blackmail pictures back.

That you and many others think this was a bad scene means the actor failed.

Holloway's exposition is condescending to the viewers who might enjoy the irony that Woodrugh walked into something having to do with the case.

Woodrugh did what he was told to do by the army, Black Mountain, PD. Although little was said, it was enough for me to think BM ordered him to kill civilians in an occupied desert village or some other war crime activity.

Some might think it was bad to turn down a bj from Lindsay Lohan.

This. It's like a stake without makeup. She basically got a way better deal than the one William H. Macy was asking for in Fargo, to put it in terms rbk will understand.

Do you think Aspen knows it was Chad's dad who beat up his dad? If so, how likely is it for the other kids to find out as well?

We could ask him: chadvelcoro@gmail.com

If he does anything resembling rational thought then he doesn't die like in his dream.

Go to 1:15.



Blake's did, probably while he was killing Stan.

I've been really looking forward to Emily nussbaum writing about this season, but she hasn't yet. Somehow I think her ignoring it completely would be the sickest burn possible.

Agreed, the old "aha but rubber bullets" cliffhanger made me feel like I was watching a bad episode of 1950s Flash Gordon.

Now that I'm thinking about it, wasn't there supposed to be some angle that the shotgun/ammo the bird used were police issue? Did that just go away?

I probably missed it, but who was the bird man? The mayors son?

the orphaned son from the jewelry store robbery

I enjoyed the scene when Ray and Ani found the orphan sister handcuffed, and she told them that the brother left for the train station hours ago so he could get there early . . . and Ray immediately runs off without even asking what time the meeting was supposed to be

Which pillow talk was worse...VV's rats story or Bezzerides recalling her childhood rape?

Well yeah he was trying to distract them long enough for it to send, but his goal of running into the woods was not to have enough time to send the message. He was running into the woods knowing fully well it was suicide, that was my point. When CF is being followed in public in broad daylight he knows his life is not in danger, he has plenty of outs that get him somewhere safe before he'd die. He's running into the woods because he knows it will never end until he is dead and that is the only thing that guarantees his family's safety, him dying. I also conclude that if they wouldn't find money on him that they might assume that he found a way to give his family the money which is why he never put the money somewhere before going to the school, but that might be me stretching it.

Anyone interested in having a worst TD season 2 dialogue tournament?

Just off the top of my head

Ugggggghh pissed myself
It's like having blue balls in your heart
He looks half anaconda half great white
Papier-mâché
Two weeks
I will butt **** your father with your mothers headless corpse
Ass-pen
Sucking robot dick

Man that Woodrugh character made a point multiple times of saying he was just doing what he was told. Glad it sunk in.

VV's rats story was a decent story very poorly executed. Ani's was a bad story moderately well executed. If the director from last night directed the rats scene, it probably would have been better...probably...but maybe not.

Oh, to your question, the Ani story was worse, because it was almost like not a story at all. Her backing up Velcro was also not believable. It's almost like they forgot her job was to actually bring Velcro down, while exploring all this corruption stuff. Ani's complete lack of self-preservation instincts were really pretty stunning throughout the story.

These contracts, they have signatures all over them.
You ain't that thing no more, what you used to was.

Wow, I think I just realized why there were so many horrible VV lines. NP actually casted VV correctly and wanted the character to be a funny character, but this is what happens when NP tries to write comedy? And then that is what happens when VV has to play a serious character with terrible lines?

All of the characters were ****ed up...a menagerie of ailments, transgressions, and secrets from their past.

Woodrugh had his incest mother, war crimes, closeted homosexuality, falsely accused by Hollywood chick, and is getting shotgunned married because he banged his beard without a rubber.

Ray Velcoro murdered someone, became a corrupt cop, alcoholic, broken marriage, and raised a child he doesn't think is his.

Bezzerides child rape, raised in a commune, sister is a stripper, she likes rough sex, clinically depressed.

VV f-ed up bullied childhood, locked in a basement with rats, became a pimp/drug dealer, ripped off for every dollar he has, barren wife.

There is not a single thing going right for any of the characters at any point, in any episode, or in the foreseeable future (indeed, 3 of the 4 die, and the 4th is as good as dead living in that South American hellhole).

The worst was Velcoro's slow roll that he killed the wrong guy after Ani tells him she doesn't blame him.

Here we are, under the bright lights.

"maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but when the lights go out...that's me"

he seriously thought he was writing a Humphrey Bogart noir with these VV lines

Paraphrasing because I can't remember the line:

How about that, it was today.

Ani gets a baby and a random woman she doesn't know at all with enormous knockers to help her solve crimes in Venezuela, I think she's doing alright for herself

Nunn,


Oh, sorry, I thought your explanation was clear and likely correct before even checking (you mentioned captioning and it being written somewhere, I believe), so I thought that was that. I also didn't say you didn't know what you were talking about, I just wasn't sure if I was missing some joke you were making by calling it Catalast, because every review I had read called it what it sounded like, catalyst. You were correct, it is catalast group!

I'd like to know the story behind why it has the weird spelling...lol.

sometimes your worst self is your best self

you know the word louche?

You don’t want to look hungry. Never do anything out of hunger. Not even eating.

There’s a certain stridency at work here. I’m going to put it off to you getting blasted

Aw, frankly, I’m apoplectic

I’m feeling a little apoplectic myself

Men,



Can't believe you guys missed the Catalast sign at the initial scene!