The scene where Kitsch murdered his old buddies(OK and so Woodrugh's old boss from the mercenaries... he is Velcero's old boss from Vinci? Did they never meet prior to that? Or did they just cast similar looking people again to confuse me, like with Woodrugh's GF and the missing hooker? Why did he say that he heard Woodrugh was looking for him? That's not true, Woodrugh wasn't doing ****, he was there for the blackmail photos) was actually really well done. Tense, well shot, good use of light and sound.

Note that both Benelli and Remington are misspelled(TWICE!) on that list, and when you slow down and read it there's probably gonna be some followup questions. You want 4 extra AK mags but no M4 mags? When you say 500 rounds per piece, you mean like, 500 rounds per type of ammo? Because the shotguns use the same ammo, the assault rifles don't, but 500 rounds for the one M4 seemed like a lot with no extra mags. You're pretty obviously outfitting 2 people, so why are you buying an odd number of guns?

that was police chief holloway

what if they were blanks?

All,

Can someone summarize who murdered people and stole diamonds, who worked together then, what happened to the diamonds, how the diamonds were found, who all we know is involved with catalyst, and if we think someone is the orphan brother. Thanks!

Btw I thought this episode was pretty entertaining, but I suffer from the same problem as esad for the first time ever in a TV show.

My response to this is the same as this dude's tweet, so I'll just post it:

I laughed so hard at the two Jewish henchmen in side curls

this

After 7 episodes, I can now say that that opening theme song is better than the actual shows.

Deadwood, the first time through, made it very tough to remember the characters names too. I similarly had the same issue, to a lesser extent, watching the wire originally.

The advantage to those is that they had longer seasons and carried over characters from season to season. With this, man, will people who don't read internet recaps/fan theories/etc. even recognize the guy that shot Woodrugh? He had like 5 minutes of screentime spread across 3 or 4 scenes so far.

We saw that guy before???? Who is he?

Buries, the creeper luitenan from Vinci who was first on scene when Ray got shot

Like we're sort of getting, all rushed together in a handful of scenes where characters literally explain the plot to each other, the picture here. A bunch of LAPD guys robbed a jewelry store in 1992, they got a bunch of diamonds out of it and invested that money into Catalyst and/or crime, and then also somehow all got jobs working for Vinci?

Something like that?

Holloway, Dixon, Burris, and Caspere were all in cahoots, but then they turned on Caspere over this land deal, I guess. And independently of that, the Russians are taking over Vince Vaughn's territory?

Not sure if fly was answering but here you go.

Burris is very likely the killer of the orphaned kids parents in the robbery. It was an execution and robbery, made to look like looting. Holloway (the Chief of Vinci) was Burris's commanding officer. Burris's partner was Dixon (fat lazy cop who got killed in the shootout). Caspere was that division's accountant, so he probably helped them "wash" the diamonds. The kids witnessed the murder, and knew who did it (what his body type looked like at the very least). Someone at one of the sex parties saw Caspere in possession of the diamonds (they're now claiming it's Caspere's secretary Erika, who *might* be Laura). I think Vera's a big fat liar (it's very important to note that Vera's sister had a thick accent, while Vera had none), and that she's the most likely candidate to be Laura (the orphaned daughter), though obviously Erika could be the real deal. We still haven't been introduced to the son, but it now is probably going to be either the set photographer (could be friends with the Chessanis) or the Mexican in the cowboy hat. There's going to a personal connection to the Chessani family kids with these two orphans (not sure who yet, but the most likely candidate is Emily Rios, though they've also set it up to be Tony), or they're doing something very wrong in weaving this convoluted plot.

The Mexicans are 100 percent wrapped up in the diamonds. I don't believe the woman they murdered was Irina. So, for someone to know details of the robbery, one of the orphaned kids had to be connected to the Mexicans. It makes the most sense for that to be the guy in the cowboy hat. But, it also could make sense that it's the set photographer, as the set up of CF was involving the movie set and a Cadillac. So, someone on the set is involved in this whole thing somehow (or at least that's how it played at the time). Also, Caspere was posed intentionally, so there's a bigger play going on as well. The two orphaned kids have to be connected to both the sex parties and the Mexicans, and the cowboy hat and Vera (or the newly introduced Erika) make those connections.

Catalast is the guy VV talked to early in the series (was sitting down having the contract talk in the house, before Woodrugh stole the papers). Osip is involved with Catalast, as is the guy trying to become Attorney General or something (I can't for the life of me remember this character, though I know he was in the show), and obviously Caspere. Basically, Frank was collateral damage in the rail plans, and they were always going to screw him, because of his desire to get out. I also think his wife is involved in this screw job, though that's the loosest thing so far. Frank had a big leak, and she was in every scene where any piece of knowledge that was crucial was passed and he also discussed a lot of crucial stuff with her.

Does that make any sense?

The episode was entertaining overall, but still had tons of issues. I don't think there could have been more exposition if I were reading a book. It felt like the end of a Columbo episode or something.

Entertaining ep but kind of felt like a straight forward traditional tv show ep which is not what I want when I'm watching an HBO show or Td.
Also I felt nothing when they killed Tim Riggins , just didn't care about his character at all.

wtf was the point of the woodrough character?

also, fiefdom.

loooooooool at that escape plan by tim riggins.

KICK YOUR GUNS FORWARD.

OK now I'm going to release my hostage before collecting any of your weapons and just turn and run with no flashlight n no idea how to get out!

BRILLIANT!!!

Nunn,

Thanks. Two things:

1) how did they even find out about the diamonds? I remember that happening but don't remember what exactly happened.

2) not sure if you're joking, but catalyst is a company, not a person.

Not to **** on NP anymore but the scene where Wood finds out that all the co-conspirators worked together way back when was pretty much lifted from L.A. Confidential. We even had the police chief killing the cop who dug up the evidence.

stopped watching after ep 4 so I'm not reading all new posts.. does it get any better?

burris was hiding in the corner of a random exit...? convenient!

pretty good episode plotwise, the finale has a lot to wrap up tho

the death toll this season is up to like 30+ at this point yeah?

4 mercenaries, woodrugh, black cop lady, mexican snitch girl, russian goon, orgy bodyguard(s), multiple dead in the shootout, fat cop, stan, tall redhead, gold teeth, Nick P's career, and of course Caspere

probably forgetting a couple

1. Not sure who the they you're referring to is. If it's our "heroes", when Woodrugh was scanning pawn shops they stumbled across it as evidence (can't remember exactly how this was revealed cuz it was a nothing piece of info at the time it was introduced, though I think they saw the diamonds in the background of some shot and blew it up to see if anyone was trying to dump them). Then, later we find out Dixon (fat lazy cop) was inquiring about those diamonds before Woodrugh had gotten that far. Ultimately, we found out those diamonds were what was stolen from the jewelry store of the orphaned kids' parents. And now, Woodrugh realized that the "dream team of Vinci" were all connected on the beat where the robbery happened, meaning they were obviously in on it. Caspere was probably supposed to get rid of the diamonds, but never did. And now it came back to bite all of them in the azz. To me, the whole season is about corruption and the diamonds.

Season 1 was one case and the effect it had on a bunch of people. For this season, the robbery is the one case that dramatically affected a lot of people, but them waiting forever to introduce this as the big crux of the season is the problem (that robbery made all of those cops' Vinci careers [Caspere's position there too], as well as destroyed the lives of a bunch of other people). That singular case can unravel the entire town of Vinci, but it remains to be decided whether it will. To do that, they're essentially going to have to drop the land side (they have no support, and are completely rogue) and go for the robbery/murder angle if they have any hope of solving the case and breaking up Vinci. So, they'll break up small corruption but lose on big corruption...the way of the world. They have A LOT to get through in 90 minutes.

One other thing to note no one's talked about is the stuff Amarillo was sputtering on about right before he got killed at the end of the shootout. I'm not fluent in Spanish (know enough), and never stopped and rewound to try to catch it all, but I think the gist of it was that it was all b.s. and to look at the "puercos" (pigs). Someone could probably go back and transcribe that scene and see that's probably close to what was going on (as that was revealed in this episode anyway that the shootout was an obvious set up and that it didn't go down the way the guy expected).

2. I was using Catalast as an example (he's the guy running Catalast) cuz I can't remember his name, not saying he was a person. I love how any time I write something I feel might be misconstrued it usually is...lol. By the way, it's Catalast, not Catalyst.