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01-24-2016 , 12:43 PM
You said you wont post anymore, if it s to say stuff like that please stick to your decision. There s no doubt for anyone that the police ****ed up in a major way in 1985 and got "lucky" avery had to accept the 400K deal.
01-24-2016 , 12:53 PM
Yeah, Colborn really tries to downplay the phone call from 1995. If it was really as insignificant as he says, why file a report about it he day after Avery is released from prison 8years.

It's weird that he can't remember anything about the license plate phone call, but he remembers a phone call from 8years earlier clear as day. (Or enough to write a report)
01-24-2016 , 12:56 PM
https://serialpodcast.org/season-one

I think this would interest most people here. This is a podcast about a teenager that is possibly spending life in prison for a murder he didn't commit.
01-24-2016 , 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Oski Making a Murderer
Maybe then you should post exclusively over there.
I'm still here because I find it fascinating the way you people think.

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Originally Posted by Oski Making a Murderer
The problem with this is that if something as innocent and simple as this happened, why didn't Colborn simply state it on the stand? Why are there no records of a family member phoning in this information?

Instead, we see Colborn fumbling around on the stand and the brother and ex bf's nervous and unsure statements at the interview.
You do realize that Colborn's testimony, his reactions, and even the phone call were edited, right?
01-24-2016 , 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by EfromPegTown Making a Murderer
It's weird that he can't remember anything about the license plate phone call, but he remembers a phone call from 8years earlier clear as day. (Or enough to write a report)
Not really
01-24-2016 , 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by fraleyight Making a Murderer
I am unbanned, and I won't be talking in this thread after today.
OK
01-24-2016 , 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by AngerPush Making a Murderer
Not really

WAT?

He played off the 1995 call like it was no big deal, and not something he was at all concerned about. Do you remember every call you made 8 years ago? I sure don't.

He said on the stand that he wasn't even sure they were talking about Avery on the call, then, shockingly, the day after Avery gets exonerated, he remembers the call (from 8years ago), it's suddenly very important, and he filed a report about it. You're right though, that's not weird at all.

On the other hand, you have a guy searching for a missing woman, calling into his dispatch about he car/license plate/make/model/year etc..., and it turns out to be likely the biggest/most noteworthy case of his career, but he can't remember a thing about it.

Yeah, super credible.
01-24-2016 , 03:57 PM
People remember some things and not others. Using this as evidence is dumb. He's probably lying multiple times but it's not really provable so who cares.
01-24-2016 , 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by AngerPush Making a Murderer
People remember some things and not others. Using this as evidence is dumb. He's probably lying multiple times but it's not really provable so who cares.
I'm sure Steve Avery cares.

He can't have it both ways. He said the 1995 wasn't important, and he didn't think much of it, and didn't even know who the caller was talking about.

Then, voila, 8 years later Avery gets exonerated and that nothing call from 8 years ago is suddenly very important and he needs to file a report ASAP.

The man is clearly a liar. That alone should discredit his testimony.
01-24-2016 , 04:49 PM
The dude was told to file a report. He was following orders. I'm sure you would've done the same thing.
01-24-2016 , 04:59 PM
Avery is a liar. His description of the cat incident made it seem like some friends dared him to toss the cat over a fire pit or something, and it somehow caught on fire accidentally. No mention of pouring gasoline on it and intentionally lighting it on fire.
01-24-2016 , 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by AngerPush Making a Murderer
They could still be concerned about it being an illegal search even if it wasn't. Post is irrelevant.
What on earth are you talking about? In this scenario, 2 civilians just said they found the vehicle of a missing person. She supposedly could still be alive at this point. And Colborn is supposed to care whether or not the brother of the missing person was trespassing?
01-24-2016 , 05:48 PM
It's really not that hard to follow. Someone wrote that it wouldn't actually be an illegal search. Ok? And we are 100% sure Colburn would know that? They could be paranoid about a good search being tossed out so they find other ways to bring in the evidence.
01-24-2016 , 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by fraleyight Making a Murderer
I agree with most of what you said. There probably was some confirmation bias. Police thought they had their man and determined they could prove this in court.

I do not agree that the innocence project wouldn't want to defame police for a case like this. If there was as much meat on the framing bone as you guys think there is the innocence project would have found it. It is their ultimate goal.
In the documentary called "Making a Murderer" it is proven many times that the police AND the victim actually thought they may have the wrong man, many times over the course of 18 years and in fact knew they had evidence proving they did have the wrong man for an entire year before it was tested.

There were only 2 people that "thought they had their man" - Eugene Kusche and Tom Kocourek (and likely Vogel and Peterson).
01-24-2016 , 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by PoorSkillz Making a Murderer
I'm still here because I find it fascinating the way you people think.



You do realize that Colborn's testimony, his reactions, and even the phone call were edited, right?
In fact, isn't it true that the entire documentary is edited?
01-24-2016 , 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by AngerPush Making a Murderer
They could be paranoid about a good search being tossed out so they find other ways to bring in the evidence.
The irony of this is that you are absolutely right.
01-24-2016 , 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by lostinthesaus Making a Murderer
In the documentary called "Making a Murderer" it is proven many times that the police AND the victim actually thought they may have the wrong man, many times over the course of 18 years and in fact knew they had evidence proving they did have the wrong man for an entire year before it was tested.

There were only 2 people that "thought they had their man" - Eugene Kusche and Tom Kocourek (and likely Vogel and Peterson).
Maybe you should tell that to the innocence project.. you know, the ones that got avery exonerated in the first place. Obviously you know more than they do and of course making a murderer did a better investigation than they did...
01-24-2016 , 06:21 PM
If anyone is interested stevens new attorney has been going on for about 3 days about how she has new evidence that proves steven is innocent. She has released that evidence to the public now..

Its a damn letter from Krats responding to steven telling him to just admit what he did.

#slamdunk

:P
01-24-2016 , 06:22 PM
Also, more cool stuff going on. Kayla is a nenber of one of the fb pages I joined about this and her and her bf think the murderer was Ryan.
01-24-2016 , 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by fraleyight Making a Murderer
If anyone is interested stevens new attorney has been going on for about 3 days about how she has new evidence that proves steven is innocent. She has released that evidence to the public now..

Its a damn letter from Krats responding to steven telling him to just admit what he did.

#slamdunk

:P
I could not see the letter. I just saw an envelope. Was the letter actually released as well?
01-24-2016 , 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by lostinthesaus Making a Murderer
I could not see the letter. I just saw an envelope. Was the letter actually released as well?
Yes,

https://twitter.com/ZellnerLaw?ref_s...Ctwgr%5Eauthor
01-24-2016 , 06:55 PM


Nevermind, found it. And it's a doozy. What a nice guy, offered to write a book for him. He really is a prize.

OMFG.
01-24-2016 , 07:10 PM


Here is a piece of a transcript where a former Manitowoc CITY cop named Brian Swetlik sued the Mayor for firing him after it was proven that Swetlik coerced a false confession from a completely different case and then altered the transcripts for the jury.

I also find it interesting that the district judge presiding is named William C. Griesbach.

This was in 2012.

It should also be noted that Swetlik was a part of the evidence collection team in Avery's case.

Something tells me that MC had no interest in any insurance companies investigative units taking a look at their justice system and law enforcement structure and goings-on.

https://news.google.com/newspapers?n...,2402696&hl=en
01-24-2016 , 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by revots33 Making a Murderer
Avery is a liar. His description of the cat incident made it seem like some friends dared him to toss the cat over a fire pit or something, and it somehow caught on fire accidentally. No mention of pouring gasoline on it and intentionally lighting it on fire.
I don't think a cat would light up on fire without gasoline or some other flammable agent on it, so I'm not doubting this is true.

I still have not seen anything regarding this occurrence accept what people are assuming happened. Is there any info aside from Wikipedia? The problem with the wikipedia info is that it's source is an article written in none other than Milwaukee Magazine. The same article states this:

"Since this discovery, the Avery salvage yard has come to represent a place of savage violence. It is a place of suffering, a Wisconsin gethsemane where, in the final hours of young woman’s life, reason and compassion gave way to a brutality unlike any other seen in this state for some time."

So speaking of bias....

      
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