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01-23-2016 , 12:57 PM
People not understanding punitive damages ITT
01-23-2016 , 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by cneuy3 Making a Murderer
Of course someone's financial situation can change their propensity to commit bad acts. I doubt many people who commit robberies would be so inclined if they were sitting on a fountain of wealth.
Obviously I'm talking about violent crimes against people.
01-23-2016 , 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by CCuster_911 Making a Murderer
Obviously I'm talking about violent crimes against people.
An armed robbery isn't a violent crime against people?
01-23-2016 , 01:59 PM
He's a psychopath and he did it.
01-23-2016 , 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by truefish Making a Murderer
He's a psychopath and he did it.

Case closed.

Which school did you go to for your masters in psychology?
01-23-2016 , 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by vajennasguy Making a Murderer
An armed robbery isn't a violent crime against people?
If you need your hand held I am referring to actual violent actions not the threat of violence. But yes you are right armed robbery is a violent crime. Got me there!
01-23-2016 , 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Poker Reference Making a Murderer
He was never getting $2 million per year of wrongful incarceration, that's just what he thought his time is worth; Wisconsin's cap is $25,000, or $450,000 for 18 years.
Is this right? If I remember correctly, they said that the Wisconsin cap was 25K total. The legislature was going to pass a special bill to give him ~450K because it was felt that the existing law had a limit that was outrageously low. When he was accused of the murder, then the initiative to pass the bill came to a halt.

I'm not 100% sure on the above, so perhaps someone else can confirm.

Moreover, the lawsuit was a separate civil matter. Had there been no Halbach murder, he would have gotten the money from the State plus whatever he recovered in the civil suit. I think everyone agrees that if it had gone forward he would not have got 36 million, but getting a few million was certainlly a real possibiliy and may have been significant for the county and those named individually in the suit (depending on whether or not it was covered by insurance, which was not certain).
01-23-2016 , 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Poker Reference Making a Murderer
He was never getting $2 million per year of wrongful incarceration, that's just what he thought his time is worth; Wisconsin's cap is $25,000, or $450,000 for 18 years.
That was a law put in place in response to Avery and I believe that is simply a payout from the state (with basically no questions asked).

However, the civil suit is another matter - and the damages would have been substantial had he proved his case against the county and the individuals.
01-23-2016 , 03:04 PM
The propane driver's testimony is IMO the most interesting thing that was left out of the documentary. TH's car left the Avery property and went onto the 147 road between 3.30 and 4.00 pm according to him. It's only 1-1 hour or so after TH arrived at the Avery property. I really can't make sense of it because I don't see it fitting into any theory.
01-23-2016 , 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Melkerson Making a Murderer
Is this right? If I remember correctly, they said that the Wisconsin cap was 25K total. The legislature was going to pass a special bill to give him ~450K because it was felt that the existing law had a limit that was outrageously low. When he was accused of the murder, then the initiative to pass the bill came to a halt.

I'm not 100% sure on the above, so perhaps someone else can confirm.

Moreover, the lawsuit was a separate civil matter. Had there been no Halbach murder, he would have gotten the money from the State plus whatever he recovered in the civil suit. I think everyone agrees that if it had gone forward he would not have got 36 million, but getting a few million was certainlly a real possibiliy and may have been significant for the county and those named individually in the suit (depending on whether or not it was covered by insurance, which was not certain).
The bill was actually passed on the day T.H. disappeared (If I recall correctly) and was called "the Avery Bill." It was not designed only for Steve Avery, but for all wrongfully incarcerated victims. In the aftermath of the arrest, etc., there was an immediate call to repeal the bill.
01-23-2016 , 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Oski Making a Murderer
The bill was actually passed on the day T.H. disappeared (If I recall correctly) and was called "the Avery Bill." It was not designed only for Steve Avery, but for all wrongfully incarcerated victims. In the aftermath of the arrest, etc., there was an immediate call to repeal the bill.
Thanks. So, prior to the bill, the cap would have been 25K total, right? Not 25K/year.
01-23-2016 , 03:15 PM
25K/year is outragous
01-23-2016 , 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Melkerson Making a Murderer
Thanks. So, prior to the bill, the cap would have been 25K total, right? Not 25K/year.
Yes. I believe that is correct.
01-23-2016 , 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by eddymitchel Making a Murderer
25K/year is outragous
Agreed. I don't even know how to describe 25K total, if that truly is what it was.
01-23-2016 , 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Andro Making a Murderer
The propane driver's testimony is IMO the most interesting thing that was left out of the documentary. TH's car left the Avery property and went onto the 147 road between 3.30 and 4.00 pm according to him. It's only 1-1 hour or so after TH arrived at the Avery property. I really can't make sense of it because I don't see it fitting into any theory.
Only 1 - 1.5? That's a lot of time to take a few pictures.
01-23-2016 , 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by vajennasguy Making a Murderer
An armed robbery isn't a violent crime against people?
It actually is. But Steven Avery never committed armed robbery....

....unless you are Nancy Grace in which case he sodomized children in a blood filled jacuzzi while forcing Brendan to rape and stab and strangle and punch and shoot TH 2,3,5,10,11 times.
01-23-2016 , 05:21 PM
Listened to the Nov 7th dassey interview. They were focused on the garage already.
01-23-2016 , 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by CCuster_911 Making a Murderer
Im saying you can play the add or subtract a percentage point(or small ticks for/against) of likelihood with his entire history and current life status. wont get you anywhere.

lol at calling it wrong.

also in case you forgot here is his original point:

"I find it hard to believe that on a poker website some ppl are arguing that a man would risk $36 million by inviting a woman onto his property then killing her & then trust a BD to help cover it up. REALLY?"

anybody that believes he is guilty believes he is messed up in the head(obviously since he committed murder and probably rape) to think he is going to convince people with this magic obvious point he is bringing up is an incredibly silly point and verges on the point of stupidity. but he is going to fall back on his sarcasm argument again so its moot.
The fact that poker players are a wide range of the population then that will give a wide range of answers to the Q would he risk it. So yeah this part of the Q is sarcasm.
But what is not sarcasm but a valid Q is "would SA risk it". It is not daft/silly or moronic.
Reasons: SA wanted to make the ppl responsible for locking him up for 18yrs & to make sure no one else suffered this fate at the hands of the same ppl, and to commit a murder before he gets the chance to prove who set him up imo is beyond absurd. If SA wanted to prove a point why did he not attack someone connected to his set-up or 1 of their family ect if he was so deranged. Also I am sure he wanted to give his close family a nice payday which would have caused conflict hence the reason why ST would have been jealous.
Even a moron can see this.

#Reasonabledoubt.
01-23-2016 , 05:25 PM
I am unbanned, and I won't be talking in this thread after today. It was very immature for someone to report me after calling me several names itt. I have more enlightened individuals I can speak to about these kinds of things.

This excludes lost, as he disagreed with me but was able to keep the discussion gong in a mature way. I have taken some things from what he has told me and hopefully he has taken something from our conversation as well.

Tootles.
01-23-2016 , 05:27 PM
Also, dont worry.. I will not be reporting any of the posters in this thread that called me names.
01-23-2016 , 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by TheJacob Making a Murderer
Listened to the Nov 7th dassey interview. They were focused on the garage already.
Some proof that they only had SA in there sight's

http://www.freeaveryanddassey.com/up...rial_day_2.pdf

More proof that SA was intended target, the cops let a guy leave the Avery yard that had outstanding warrant.

http://www.freeaveryanddassey.com/up...rial_day_4.pdf

http://www.freeaveryanddassey.com/up...ial_day_19.pdf
^^For Andro.
01-23-2016 , 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by fraleyight Making a Murderer
Also, dont worry.. I will not be reporting any of the posters in this thread that called me names.
I am glad you are back Fraley, even after I said that I would not respond to your posts i would never ever report someone for petty name calling.

I was enjoying the back & forth between you & lost & will now give Ya my apology for being upset at the way you were posting. My Bad, sorry.

Keep up the thought provoking posts & links.
01-23-2016 , 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by smacc25 Making a Murderer
I am glad you are back Fraley, even after I said that I would not respond to your posts i would never ever report someone for petty name calling.

I was enjoying the back & forth between you & lost & will now give Ya my apology for being upset at the way you were posting. My Bad, sorry.

Keep up the thought provoking posts & links.
I know that I was a little assholish when I first started posting in here but that is because the initial responses I got itt are the responses I see everyone get who shares my opinion on this subject. I guess its just annoying. And I apologize to you or anyone else who was offended as well.
01-23-2016 , 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by smacc25 Making a Murderer
The fact that poker players are a wide range of the population then that will give a wide range of answers to the Q would he risk it. So yeah this part of the Q is sarcasm.
But what is not sarcasm but a valid Q is "would SA risk it". It is not daft/silly or moronic.
Reasons: SA wanted to make the ppl responsible for locking him up for 18yrs & to make sure no one else suffered this fate at the hands of the same ppl, and to commit a murder before he gets the chance to prove who set him up imo is beyond absurd. If SA wanted to prove a point why did he not attack someone connected to his set-up or 1 of their family ect if he was so deranged. Also I am sure he wanted to give his close family a nice payday which would have caused conflict hence the reason why ST would have been jealous.
Even a moron can see this.

#Reasonabledoubt.
You sure are making a lot of assumptions here.

      
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