Fred C. Dobbs: This is the country where the nuggets of gold are just crying out for you to take them out of the ground and make 'em shine in coins on the fingers and necks of swell dames.

Skyler's hardassedness with Ted in the hospital last week made me think that she was getting off on the power and fear she had instilled in him. Walt is clearly getting off on the fact that he has 'tamed' her (which is what he thinks, rather than Skylar being terrified of him).

Wouldn't be surprised if Skylar either finds her balls and stands up to Walt very soon, or even goes full switcharoo and takes his side/stands by him out of megalomania, rather than fear.

The Skylar arc is going to be fascinating this season, as his family is his achilles heel.

I mean maybe Skylar will stand up to Walt soon, but I can't imagine not thinking that she's scared of him right now, given the last scene of last weeks ep, and the scene where she explicitly tells him she's scared of him.

O she's definitely scurrrred of him, but I mean she might end up coming round to backing him because she gets off on the power she holds over Ted. There were spots last season that hinted that she was gonna full-on break bad, herself.

Fear can turn into misguided loyalty, in a Stockholm Syndromey way.

Stranger things have happened, and I don't think it would be completely out of the blue or out of character.

Yes after Gus is dead there's a meeting with Walt, Jesse, and Saul.
Walt is suggesting they get back to cooking and says it.

Jesus Christ, spoiler tabs please!

How on earth could you not know that most people don't like reading spoilers?

Re: The plane crash - yeah. Let's take an inventory of everyone in Walt's life that we know about:

His wife - realizes she's married to a violent drug dealer, complicit in money laundering + tax avoision, the only ways out are presumably jail, death, or maybe flight

His brother-in-law - walks with a limp, nearly died, as a result of Walt's actions

Jesse - Walt let his girlfriend die, he's also poisoned the son of his ex-girlfriend in order to manipulate him, he's also hadto a commit a murder on behalf of Walt

Walter Jr. - breakfast has been late for him on NUMEROUS occasions

And then there's Gus, Gale, the two dealers at the beginning, the two dealers who Jesse kills at the end of Season 3, Combo, Victor, Tio, Tuco, and why not count Jane's father and the people in the plane, and I forget who else, all of whom might've met sorry ends anyway, but certainly weren't helped out by Heisenberg. A lot of these people were already sliding down a path of nihilism and moral dubiousness, Walt just helped them along.

This is a terrible analogy, seriously terrible.


In your case, the guy that robs the supermarket is KNOWINGLY robbing the supermarket. It's not the fault of one single person running meth.

Now, if Walt ran meth in this guys town, and the guy became a meth head only because Walt introduced blue meth in his town, and that guy got addicted and got divorced, lost his job, lost his house, and was living on the street poor, and THEN stole a loaf of bread, then you could argue that is Walt's fault as well.


The fact here: if Walt took charity from his old partner, he wouldn't be in a place where Skylar doesn't want an audit.

If Skylar cooked the books, and didn't fear Walt's prosecution, Ted doesn't end up in the hospital.

Mainly because she doesn't have 600,000 to bribe him with, or Saul to goon him up.

Of course you can attribute a somewhat ridiculously wide scope of bad things to Walt. The more powerful one is, the more consequences their actions are responsible for.

With great power comes great responsibility.

i was with you until this. clearly this is the fault of that fat slob of a wife.

INT. 2+2 BREAKING BAD FORUM KITCHEN - DAY

ANNOYING 2+2 MEMBER approaches the counter while NOT ANNOYING FORUMER cuts veggies for salad. Annoying 2+2 Member looks Forumer right in the eye.

ANNOYING 2+2 MEMBERS: "I.F.2+2.B.B.T.A.G.I.A."

Annoying 2+2 members walk away while Not Annoying forumer is left stewing.

FADE OUT:

Surprised how many regular folk like this series..It is awesome, but, as someone who actually lived a similar life, avoided death, survived prison, Im still surprised..
The cop in my own personal story was my Dad....The gus im my story ratted out his connections finally when the heat was to great, cut a deal with the man for a short sentance (14 yrs)..He's out now, an usher at his church, completely away from the meth game..We often meet for lunch and talk of old times..Its crazy..
Our bigness came after we got a drum of p2p from a perfume factory...P2p is a chemical that keeps perfumes,perfuming...The walt in my story made blue dope with it!! Everyone called it smurf dope!!
Crazy paralells....Im the jesse in my own story, im all growed up and chilled out now (yo)...almost 45 years old...
And guess what, Im learnin poker now...Ive avoided this thread, well, cause its wierd to me..But here i am, like a retired jesse seeing what everyones saying about me..Its wierd I tell ya!!!!
Ok, gotta say one more thing..When we were cooking once, yes, in a fricken RV, we were done and ready to leave the hot desert..Well, the RV didnt move, it started, but didnt move...Like the transmission was toast...We reached into the middle, lifted the engine cover off, and began dissasembling stuff...After 4 hours underneath messing with the transmission with basically just pliers and a screwdriver and a cresent wrench, I looked towards the back of the RV to notice the leveling jacks were down, the tires off the ground...the tranny was fine..on the verge of dehydration we hopped back in to the rv and took off, a/c on full blast...We were miles and miles away from anyone, out of cell range...thought it was gonna be my last day then too...
Anyways, not gonna bother y'all with my stuff, Breaking Bad is good enough..Just someone with some experience cant help himself to chiming in..

wp.

skyler is the idiot if her opinion of walt changes over a nursing home bomb. if you learn somebody is a meth chef, you also learn that he's involved in killing people. at least sometimes.

if it isn't rape, then what is immoral about it? a wife has to withdraw consent for it to be rape.

and we can't say she's too terrified to withdraw consent because she's grief-stricken over beneke.

no, he stopped because she hit him in the nuts. and he was a new cancer man then, so he had to be reasonably off his rocker. though i gotta concede that the man who says 'if gus can do it, so can we' is not in his right mind at all.

in any case, skyler has a track record of being able to physically handle herself.

and indeed, for all the ppl itt who think that gilligan's word should carry, she gives him an old fashioned in the end.

sure it's rapey. but it's not rape.

to everybody who thinks the debate over whether walt raped sky is aids: maybe you're right

Because you can tell whether a woman is reciprocating to sex or not, especially a woman you have had sex with many, many times. If you just push on through anyway, even if your actions are defensible in a criminal sense, I'm not sure why one wouldn't see it as a wrongful act.

Sure, on a moral scale it's considerably different from literally holding a knife to her throat while having at it, but I do think the criticisms of his action are on point.

why Mike had to shot Chau in his hand ?

A couple of small things to move off the Rapey McRape discussion.

Anyone else notice how the scar on Chau's (sp) hand is just like the scar from the chemical burn on Tyler Durden in Fight Club? Homage perhaps?

Chit. Forgot the other thing ...

Oh. The ricin in the socket. It will stay in the house long after the White's have left, killing the new residents when they go to upgrade and make some monor cosmetic changes. Fits in with the idea that Walt's choices have had a horrible direct and an indirect impact on the lives of others.

Jesus Christ this thread is AIDS.

It wasn't rape. It WAS creepy. Walt is oblivious to the fact that Skyler is creeped out by him. If she just says, "Walt, i'm not feeling good tonight" he'd stop. She didn't.

Not rape.

Besides, all we know is that he's rubbing up on her some, kissing her hair, and honking her boobie. We don't know what happens after fade out.

But I think we can all assume Walt doesn't take Skyler by force.

You know what would be funny?

Going from what we saw on screen to "rape" is really goofy. At first I just assumed I missed something and there was a tag on the ep...

Dominic and dids going full ****** itt. Even the creator says that the scene alluded to such. Sexing a grief stricken, frightened to death woman is rape pure and simple. Dominic, Walt isn't oblivious to Sklyar's fear. She spelled it out for him word for word in ep one. Why does everybody keep skipping over this and acting like Walt doesnt have ears

No, the creator said they filmed a longer scene where Skylar reaches over and gives Walt a handie so she doesn't have to sex him. But they cut it for time.

And your conclusion that Walt is sexing his wife even though he KNOWS she's petrified of him is ludicrous. Walt is not aware that he he is now the Bad Guy. Walt is oblivious. He's always been oblivious. He thinks he's doing what's right for his family. Still. Does he think she should be grateful? Yes. Does he realize she thinks he might be a monster? Lord, no. In Walt's view, "she'll come around."

So stop talking out of your ass. It wasn't rape.