I don't see how it is "very strongly foreshadowed" when you're randomly picking one sub-story and applying it to the entire show. I feel like you're seeing what you want to see. I mean, I appreciate the passion behind your theory, but just because there are some parallels between the two doesn't make it foreshadowing. If you sat down and looked at every single relationship we've seen in three seasons, my guess is you could consider quite a few of them foreshadowing to the overall story.

Also Walt and Jesse being murdered isn't really a tragedy if they are both killed by say the Pollos guy. I mean it is but it isn't really a dramatically optimal tragedy. A dramatic tragedy is defined by the tragic figure (clearly Walt in Breaking Bad) having an error in judgment. Walt's tragic flaw is pride with a twist of envy (or perhaps the opposite, as Walt generally wears green), as shown by turning down the Grey Matter dbag's charity, choosing instead to cook meth.

Now obviously if Pollos kills Jesse and Walt it is still a tragedy as their deaths are brought about by Walt's error in judgment. But no dramatist worth his salt would ever end things that way because you want the tragic hero to be the one perpetrating the tragedy, not some peripheral character.

Walt is of course perfectly willing to sacrifice himself for his family. That has been his plan all along. But it is not that simple with Jesse. Walt cannot simply blow his brains out and ensure his family is safe; his wife is knowingly a party to his criminality and his brother-in-law will be implicated whether he knows of Walt's crimes or not. So the only way to protect his family might be to kill Jesse. So yes, Walt will sacrifice himself for his family, but that in and of itself is not tragic. That was Walt's whole plan all along! He will sacrifice his soul for his family by killing Jesse, someone he loves.

The foreshadowing I am referring to isn't confined to the first 3 episodes, although it is included in Crazy 8 saying "your real problem is upstairs," and Jesse threatening Walt's home stability by calling his house. It is a constant dynamic between Jesse and Walt, particularly in season 3. Pollos saying "you can never trust a drug addict," Jesse explicitly threatening Walt after Hank beats Jesse down, and many other indications that Walt cannot trust Jesse.

And now Jesse is going to start using again. How do you think that is going to work out?

I can get behind this idea, I'm just saying I don't think it's "foreshadowing" simply because he also killed C8. I mean, he killed C8 because C8 was going to stab him with a plate shard. If Walt didn't have Jesse or a family, I still think he would have killed C8 instead of letting C8 stab him to death, so I think drawing a parallel between that and your Jesse scenario is quite a stretch.

I will say, though, that I think your Jesse scenario is plausible. I don't think it'd be my ideal ending, but I can at least understand why some people would consider it to be the most perfect outcome possible.

Also Crazy 8 was a government snitch. This is by far the most likely way that Jesse will betray Walt, again hinted at in season 3 with the Badger legal plot.

It absolutely is not foreshadowing unless some form of the ending I am hypothesizing plays out. And if it does play out then it absolutely was foreshadowing. I am preemptively saying that episode 3 seems like foreshadowing to me, that the symmetry between the relationships seems to fit so far. I think that my hypothesized ending is quite likely, but of course I don't think it is unreasonable to think otherwise. This is just the first time I've watched season 1 since the end of season 3 and the foreshadowing I described really really jumped out at me. But of course I could have the writer's intentions completely wrong, if they even have planned that far ahead.

I am obviously not a dramatist and cannot claim to know what ending would be best for the show. But I will say that, given the way the show has unfolded for the past 3 seasons, the show has to have a tragic ending, and one where Walt is the tragic top seems much more likely than Walt being the tragic bottom.

The plan when they were filming the first season was to kill Jesse off during the first season. None of that foreshadows anything occurring now. They didn't tell Aaron Paul that he wouldn't die at the end of season one until they were shooting the fifth or sixth episode. Gilligan has also said that they have been making everything up as they go for all of season 3. (I can't believe they were able to put together such a brilliant season that way.) You really are reaching here.

Walt's never going to kill Jesse, imo.

the only blatant foreshadowing ive seen is the dot on walts head which seems to indicate hes gonna get shot through the head. I dont see how else that can be interpreted.

I dont think Walt will kill Jesse but its not out of the question. I think its a cert that Walt dies before the end. I think that ending works a lot better if Jesse is the person who emerges from all this ''victorious' after getting beat down for the whole series. Walt is the bad guy, Jesse, no matter how he tries, just isnt.

When Walt says, "I'll give you Jesse Pinkman", at the S3 finale I'm pretty sure everyone thought he was genuinely going to sell him out cause Walt is a scumbag pos. So if he kills Jesse then I wouldn't be surprised.

What dots? Physical mark due to illness, or was it something else?

The one i remember is in The Fly episode i think where hes cleaning one of the vats and the mark is right on his forehead. It isnt subtle either so it struck me as having some significance. Maybe i read it wrong, its easy to read too much into it but they obviously meant to have the mark reflected right in his forehead. The one thing that popped out at me was him getting shot in the head, it might signify something else, but thats the first thing i thought of. I think its happened at some other point aswell but cant remember when.

Yeah, this.

I can't say that Walt will never kill Jesse though as if forced I think he would still preserve his own life over Jesse's. He'll do everything he can to keep that from happening, though.

Tuco's uncle ("Tio"), the old due with the ringing bell, plays a restaurant owner in Mildred Pierce. Pretty cool to see the dude walking around again.

(Those of us who watched Oz remember him from there too, plus he was the dude who kept buying and selling Burstyn's TV from Leto in Requiem For a Dream).

I agree Jessie has been getting the ****ty end of the stick from day 1. Although he is a junkie. I agree by the series end Walt will be dead not sure about Jessie he may end up being the next Walt or get out of it. Hopefully we aren't jumping the gun with a series finale any sooner then 3 more seasons. And hopefully they don't wait as long for future seasons. This wait is a killer.

1)Jesse spent almost all of season 3 clean.

2)I would be shocked if this show ran six seasons and it seems to me it would take some serious padding to do so, which I hope the show doesn't resort to.

Agree. I'd like it to go 5 seasons at the most. But really, I'd prefer something like a split 4th and final season. 8 episode in a row now, and the final 8 6 months from now.

this show is the bees knees. i missed it the first time around, but got to watch all the re-airs on amc. i am so glad i did.

amc finished airing the s3 finale last night. so good. was sucked in from the first 2 eps of s1. all 3 seasons were really solid, after seeing half measure i was so pumped afterwards.

after going back and reading some of the thread don't know why so many ppl thought jessie didn't shoot gail.

anyways will be interesting to see where the show goes in s4, cuz everytime i think they can't do this or that and yet they still manage to.

lol Twaught Hammer. This show has really excellent rewatchability value.

I feel like seasons 1 and 2 had more little excellent tidbits of humor in them. Like TwaughtHammer lol

I might be wrong but I thought the original airing did not have that gunshot sound at the end. Like they added it this go around. Anybody else?

It did, IIRC

yeah i'm almost positive it did

100% the gunshot has always been there.

I've never anticipated the return of a show like I have with BB. I'm DYING to see what's next!

this show is so good. im gonna try and wait for season 4 to end and then ragewatch it all in a sitting or two. always so much better. hope i can do it though, cant wait