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06-14-2010 , 06:20 AM
Well, no more lab brewed coffee for Walt That sucks. I wonder if Jessee makes coffee?
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06-14-2010 , 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by mused01
when walt told gus that he would "never ask that" when confronted about the child killing was he

A. Implying that Walt knew Gus ordered it and wouldn't have to ask
I thought it was implied that the kid couldn't have been killed without Gus' say so. Other may disagree.

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Originally Posted by CharlieDontSurf
no its just basically Walt is becoming more and more like Gus(calculating, cold blooded) and less like the Walt of old. I mean its now not hard to fathom Walt killing just about anyone on the show if it meant protecting himself/family.

So people who were hoping Walt would somehow redeem himself, fix everything and get things back to something similar to his prior life are now realizing he's going deeper and deeper into the swamp and probably will never find his way out..
I just watched the entire season back to back and... wow.

Walter went from 'I'm done' through to cooking again, the realising he was trapped in a very bad situation, to truly becoming Heisenberg again at the end of the series.

The writers have been slowly evolving Walter from a complete wimp to completely soulless kingpin, and my random prediction is a Gus/Walt/DEA/Cartel war next season with Walt coming out as the final owner of a nationwide chain carwash stations headed up by his wife, Pollos going bankrupt and executed by the Cartel, and the DEA arresting the leader of the Cartel when he decides to personally go to/after Walter for something personal or perhaps to set up a new business arrangement.
06-14-2010 , 06:46 AM
Breaking Bad is ****ing awesome. I think you have to resist the urge to pick apart its realism. Think of it simply as a Shakespearean play about individual's moral decisions.

Last edited by Stewie_Griffin; 06-14-2010 at 06:51 AM.
06-14-2010 , 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by JHolsinger88
Season 4 = war.

Anyone notice no Hank storyline in finale? I wonder how that will play out, a lot of loose ends.
Any thoughts on how Hank will play out?
06-14-2010 , 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by kkcountry
well the exact opposite of whatever aCTioNJACsON thinks is typically pretty close to the truth fwiw
if kk says it, it must be true, hes not a troll at all!

Last edited by AcTiOnJaCsOn; 06-14-2010 at 07:47 AM.
06-14-2010 , 07:41 AM
the main problem as things stand right now is just how large is Gus's ego? *if* he can swallow the fact that Walt is a)smarter than he is and b)rapidly is becoming just as ruthless as himself. on paper there is no problem anymore really. there was one employee who didnt follow rules (and didnt offer anything of value to the orginization anyways). only problem was said employee has a very very powerful friend. i think Gus made a massive mistake when he missed the chance to save face within his immediate circle of associates/employees. "hey we lost two moron dealers and the guy who killed him we are looking really really hard for but it appears he got away" walt is happy, gus is appeased and the silent mexican who i assume is the only other guy with any sort of power i think would be ok. Mike the PI (who has grown into a A+ side charecter) doesnt seem to give a **** either way. he answers a phone and people get hurt or peeped on.

meanwhile walt shows just how loyal he is to those he cares about, whatever their shortcomings. walts decision making abilities along with his views on friendship make him the worlds ABSOLUTE UNDISPUTED HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION business partner. nevermind his cooking abilities, he also posses a perfect skillset to work alongside gus in this business. gus missed this big time and let petty anger cloud his judgement. gus needing lotsa supply but being hated by people from the south kinda gives walt a lotta power. Heisenberg shoulda been left napping. never know when that nukkka is gonna get tired again.
06-14-2010 , 07:50 AM
You guys are overlooking the obvious smoking gun, which is the other cartel nipping at Gus by harassing the Chinese chemical owners.
06-14-2010 , 07:57 AM
The episode was just awesome.

Gus is in huge trouble, he lost a lot of power in the last two episodes.

I think we cant really make predictions on season 4, so much changed over the course of this season, what holds true for episode one, was completely wrong three episodes later.

I cant wait for season 4.
06-14-2010 , 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Stewie_Griffin
You guys are overlooking the obvious smoking gun, which is the other cartel nipping at Gus by harassing the Chinese chemical owners.
i dont think the term "smoking gun" is apt here, but you are right, the added threat of a recovering opponent (mexico) coming across to re-start selling **** was to be expected, now that its happening gus shouldnt be trying to kill his best employee.
06-14-2010 , 08:11 AM
Gotta love it.

http://www.bettercallsaul.com/
06-14-2010 , 08:43 AM
I love how all the message boards I go to are complaining about certain things of the finale, and I come here, and see the same complaints, but it's the only board that totally ripped those complaints apart. I think the show is becoming more and more niche with the slow scenes and episodes throughout this season, but I loved it. The average viewer that only likes 24paced etc shows might be starting to lose intrest or something because of this, causing some complaints.

Season 3 was fantastic. I absolutely loved Season 2 and in my mind it was already the best BB season ever, but now I am not sure anymore, and leaning towards Season 3.

If it can continue this, it certainly has the qualities to stand up there next to the wire and six feet under.
06-14-2010 , 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by private joker




+1 to being fooled into thinking Walt was selling out Jesse. Then I cracked a relieved smile when he goes "6353 Juan Tabo, apartment 6. Yeah." Boom, pwned. (Also, I worked at a Blockbuster on Juan Tabo when I lived in Albuquerque so the address hit home for me).
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Bryan Cranston is such a good actor, I think he fooled everyone about giving up Jesse.

I did however think it was obvo that Walt knew they were planning to "replace" him in those scenes in the lab with gale and gus' #2.

Gilligan said the viewers were supposed to think Walt didn't know, but I think they foershadowed it with close ups on Walts face a little too blatantly.

That said, I was surprised yet again to see Saul staying loyal and Jesse showing up for a meeting at the Laser Tag scene.

In general, they do such a good job keeping the viewers off balance, it literally does leave me at the edge of my seat watching.
06-14-2010 , 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Omar Comin
Can we talk about how bad ass it was that the PI basically took two people out with one bullet?
Scene reminded me of something from Kill Bill vol 1. One of my faves
06-14-2010 , 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by nath
I love the specificity of dialogue in certain moments and by certain characters. Mike telling Walt, "the sooner you figure this thing out, the sooner we can all go home" is a perfect example. Slick double meaning implied there to Walter-- "this thing" being that he's about to be killed and will have to "figure out" a way out of it.
Awesome! I didn't catch that.

Can't wait for the inevitable Hank vs Mike showdown btw!
06-14-2010 , 09:19 AM
Also, despite what Gilligan said in the interview. This series is definately going 5 seasons. I'd be very surprised if they could wrap it up in 13 more eps.

my prediction Season 4: is about Walt and Jesse starting up their own empire

Season 5: Showdown between Gus/Walts crew. Walt wins, but his empire gets taken down by DEA/3rd rivals
06-14-2010 , 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by savant111
Also, despite what Gilligan said in the interview. This series is definately going 5 seasons. I'd be very surprised if they could wrap it up in 13 more eps.

my prediction Season 4: is about Walt and Jesse starting up their own empire

Season 5: Showdown between Gus/Walts crew. Walt wins, but his empire gets taken down by DEA/3rd rivals
Do you watch that show? Walt has no interest in running an empire, Jesse has not the skills to do it. Furthermore, you need more than guts to run an empire.

Season 4 will most likely be something along the lines Gus vs. The Cartel. And Walt and Gus try to co-exist and work together despite their past.
06-14-2010 , 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Charles Bukowski
only reasons i can think of that would make someone think this is they're either stupid or have ADD & need cliff hangers & crazy plot twists to keep them entertained.
The shows are very different. But I think without question, Breaking Bad is more challenging to write. The Wire has 5 billion characters and a brand new theme each season. The writers instantly start with fresh material.

BB on the other hand has given you similar quality, while telling a story that centers around two guys. Now ducy?
06-14-2010 , 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Spurious
Do you watch that show? Walt has no interest in running an empire, Jesse has not the skills to do it. Furthermore, you need more than guts to run an empire.

Season 4 will most likely be something along the lines Gus vs. The Cartel. And Walt and Gus try to co-exist and work together despite their past.
1) Walt's character is evolving. Gilligan said it himslef, Walt missed the Heisenberg side of him, and he's not left with too many other options at this point. If anything my prediction is too obvo, definately not far fetched.

2) Personally, I would be disappointed to just see Gus forgive and forget. They probably will have to coexist early on, but that will last no more than 3 eps. Book it!
06-14-2010 , 09:41 AM
Anyone else notice that Mike was standing on Walt's side during their conversation in the desert.

06-14-2010 , 09:46 AM
^^^^scene was so awesome, showdown at sunset!

Cinematography is another area I give BB the edge over the Wire. Symbolism too.
06-14-2010 , 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by savant111
1) Walt's character is evolving. Gilligan said it himslef, Walt missed the Heisenberg side of him, and he's not left with too many other options at this point. If anything my prediction is too obvo, definately not far fetched.

2) Personally, I would be disappointed to just see Gus forgive and forget. They probably will have to coexist early on, but that will last no more than 3 eps. Book it!
If Walt tries to build his own empire and not provide meth for Gus, he dies. That's the only reason he survived the last episode.

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Originally Posted by The 13th 4postle
Anyone else notice that Mike was standing on Walt's side during their conversation in the desert.

While I think Mike kinda likes Walt, you are over interpreting things here. It's kinda obvious that someone watches their back, dont you think?
06-14-2010 , 09:59 AM
Mike is probably preventing Walts escape here, could be foreshadowing though.

Last edited by savant111; 06-14-2010 at 10:02 AM. Reason: I wrote the same post twice like a donk
06-14-2010 , 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Spurious
If Walt tries to build his own empire and not provide meth for Gus, he dies. That's the only reason he survived the last episode.
Walt practically has his own criminal network already. The Lawyer and Jesse are loyal to Walt. Jesse has Badger. And soon Walt could have Hank and Marie.

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Originally Posted by Spurious
While I think Mike kinda likes Walt, you are over interpreting things here. It's kinda obvious that someone watches their back, dont you think?
No, cinematography is very important. For example right before Walt goes in the lab, they show you what could only be Gayle's car. For fans of the show, we know who the new partner is before Walt steps foot in the lab.

06-14-2010 , 10:34 AM
1) how the hell can anyone think jesse didn't do it? jesus h, do yourself a favor and go find something else to watch.

2) omg omg omg omg i love this show.
06-14-2010 , 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by nath
...I love the specificity of dialogue in certain moments and by certain characters. Mike telling Walt, "the sooner you figure this thing out, the sooner we can all go home" is a perfect example. Slick double meaning implied there to Walter-- "this thing" being that he's about to be killed and will have to "figure out" a way out of it.
Especially awesome because it followed the scene where Walt explains killing those guys as a reaction to Mike's "half measures" speech, to which he replies something about how interesting it is that with language things can be taken multiple ways. (sorry, if i saw it again i would have gotten the quote right)

I wonder if these double entendres from Mike are intentional or not, and if that suggests his willingness to help Walt/turn on Gus next season. Maybe he has a moral compass that isn't exactly in line with Gus (like if say he knows that Gus did order the hit on Tomas and isn't happy about it), so he's subtly helping Walt survive. Like Walt, he's a family man, Gus doesn't appear to be (kid's toys at his place notwithstanding).

Also wondering about Saul's future, seems like he might need Walt to win this power struggle after playing Mike/Gus with that wild goose chase, unless he can explain away that was his information from Walt/Jesse, and he believed it to be true. Or like above, he needs Mike to be not too upset about it. Can't see how Walt would ever get Hank/Marie involved in his criminal workings (knowingly anyway), seems like a pretty ridiculous idea.
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