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Old 08-29-2015, 11:32 PM   #5101
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Yes but hasn't that deal ended. For example when she campaigned against Shelli she told them her target is Becky. Which was true but after Becky left everything fair game.
Becky leaving wasn't Vanessa's HOH, it was Liz's. Liz nominated Becky/Jmac. Technically that deal should still be intact because it was made with the agreement on Vanessa's HOH. She keeps telling everyone in the house that her word is good and doesn't go back on it, is a reason for James/Meg to believe that she scumbagged them. That's why Vanessa shouldn't make so many deals and tell everyone that her word is good so often, she'll eventually have to break them and people will take it personally.
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Old 08-29-2015, 11:36 PM   #5102
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This renom basically determines if Vanessa is the Aaryn to Amanda/McCrae who did whatever they wanted, or the Andy who knew to turn on them when the moment was right
I can't believe she's letting the austwins con her into this. She said 20 minutes ago she strongly leaning to putting jmac up but needs to talk to james and jmac first. She better not listen to them or she's lowered her chances of not only winning but of surviving the next week or 2. Wtf is she thinking? She's also underestimating how much the austwins like james and meg. She needs to break that **** up! Vanessa says it would be a waste to send meg home. How is it a waste to take out an enemy always voting against you as opposed to someone working with you? It turns into a complete disaster HOH if you target a duo and both stay to target you next week. And for you to be the one to allow/make the decision for it to happen is ridiculously dumb. Probably the dumbest HOH move this season if she does it.

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Old 08-29-2015, 11:37 PM   #5103
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Yes but they need to take blame for thinking they were real. Vanessa has been HOH 3 times have never put up Austin, Liz, Julia, Steve. They can pretend Vanessa hasn't been a target for them but that's a lie. The way Vanessa handles things isn't good but they shouldn't be surprised they were put up.
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Old 08-29-2015, 11:39 PM   #5104
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What great move by Austin to play nice with James/Meg.
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Old 08-29-2015, 11:41 PM   #5105
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John needs rat out what James was saying to make sure Julia goes up.
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Old 08-29-2015, 11:42 PM   #5106
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Yes but they need to take blame for thinking they were real. Vanessa has been HOH 3 times have never put up Austin, Liz, Julia, Steve. They can pretend Vanessa hasn't been a target for them but that's a lie. The way Vanessa handles things isn't good but they shouldn't be surprised they were put up.
They would respect Vanessa more if Vanessa just put them up and say it was a game move. The way Vanessa does it is she'll make a deal with you and then on the very first opportunity now that she's HOH she makes up some convoluted excuse to put them up. That's why they hate her. Vanessa said something about Meg laughing about the Brass Tacks as a reason to put her up. Meg is so furious right now because that excuse doesn't even make sense and have no idea where she got that. People don't like to be played for a fool. Vanessa would've been better off not making a deal and been more upfront with them.
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Old 08-29-2015, 11:44 PM   #5107
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Agree I even heard Liz tell Julia you don't need give strange reason other than its game move.
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Old 08-29-2015, 11:50 PM   #5108
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LOL Steve is the worst. Vanessa basically opened the door for Steve and Jmac to campaign to get one of the Austwins up. Steve: No more game talk.

WTFFFFFFF is his problem. These 2 are the all time worst of allllll time.
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Old 08-29-2015, 11:55 PM   #5109
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Vanessa: Jmac if you go up you really think you'll go?
Jmac: I got evicted last week
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Old 08-30-2015, 12:03 AM   #5110
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I seriously can't possibly hate Steve any more than I do. Vanessa told them the Austwins won't vote out Megs because they told her it was a waste of an eviction. Meaning if she puts up Steve/Jmac they would go. So Vanessa asks Steve who he would vote out if she puts up Julia. Says he would vote out Megs 100%. Why was he cast again?
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Old 08-30-2015, 12:04 AM   #5111
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Hopefully Vanessa does realize if Steve goes home Austin/Twins have better shot to win out.
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Old 08-30-2015, 12:06 AM   #5112
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Vanessa begging to hear Julia should go up and Steve doesn't seem interested.
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Old 08-30-2015, 12:07 AM   #5113
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Vanessa begging to hear Julia should go up and Steve doesn't seem interested.
He's the worst. Why is Vanessa even aligning with him? He's such a terrible ally that won't talk game to you even when he's on the brink of going up.
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Old 08-30-2015, 12:09 AM   #5114
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Vanessa logic dumb. Put Julia up and make Steve/John promise to vote Meg out.
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Old 08-30-2015, 12:11 AM   #5115
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She's telling him she might have to put him up and he doesn't even want to talk his way out of it LOL.

Here's my take on Steve. He gets rattled very easily and isn't witty enough or articulate enough to talk his way out of it. That's why he needs to be alone and take some time to think about what he's going to say so that he won't get himself in trouble. Vanessa is virtually begging him to tell her to put up Julia.
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Old 08-30-2015, 12:11 AM   #5116
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I seriously can't possibly hate Steve any more than I do. Vanessa told them the Austwins won't vote out Megs because they told her it was a waste of an eviction. Meaning if she puts up Steve/Jmac they would go. So Vanessa asks Steve who he would vote out if she puts up Julia. Says he would vote out Megs 100%. Why was he cast again?
First off you don't know if he's being honest. And if he is being honest that's a decent decision. As the only 2 people he can count on right now are jmac and vanessa. So he knows she wants meg out and meg is steve's enemy as well. Why would he piss off an ally to save meg and make vanessa and the austwins enemies? Plus he knows vanessa wants to hear that so she will do that. If he said i'll take out julia it may stop her from doing it. He doesn't want him or jmac going up so you tell her exactly what you think she needs to hear to make julia go up. I don't see any problem with him answering like that. i thought you were gonna say he said no put jmac up instead of julia. That would be stupid.
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Old 08-30-2015, 12:16 AM   #5117
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If she wants Meg to go Julia needs to go up. Best she can hope for. Austin already got James/Meg in his corner.
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Old 08-30-2015, 12:19 AM   #5118
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First off you don't know if he's being honest. And if he is being honest that's a decent decision. As the only 2 people he can count on right now are jmac and vanessa. So he knows she wants meg out and meg is steve's enemy as well. Why would he piss off an ally to save meg and make vanessa and the austwins enemies? Plus he knows vanessa wants to hear that so him or jmac don't go up. So i don't see any problem there.
That could be true but it doesn't take away the fact that Steve is a terrible alliance member where he feels he has to lie to her to keep their alliance member safe. It was Vanessa who came up to him and Jmac and initiated the F3 alliance. What kind of alliance is that if you can't talk freely amongst one another? Steve spoke to the cameras about this F3 and he legitimately wants this to be his F3. If you're not going to talk freely and honestly to your legit F3 who the hell are you going to talk game to LOL
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Old 08-30-2015, 12:23 AM   #5119
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This conversation with Steve and Jmac has convinced me that she's reevaluating her relationship with these 2 and will stick with Austwins. These 2 are terrible and will be no help to her at all. Hate to say it but she might as well stay with the Austwins.
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Old 08-30-2015, 12:24 AM   #5120
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If she wants Meg to go Julia needs to go up. Best she can hope for. Austin already got James/Meg in his corner.
She's not gonna build alot of trust with her new alliance with steve and jmac by saying "if i put one of you up you'll probably go home. And i'm considering this. I could put up julia to protect you guys and get my target out, meg. But i'm still thinking i might f you guys." Wtf is she doing?
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Old 08-30-2015, 12:25 AM   #5121
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She's not gonna build alot of trust with her new alliance with steve and jmac by saying "if i put one of you up you'll probably go home. And i'm considering this. I could put up julia to protect you guys and get my target out, meg. But i'm still thinking i might f you guys." Wtf is she doing?
The whole convo is so dumb. LOL
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Old 08-30-2015, 12:29 AM   #5122
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That could be true but it doesn't take away the fact that Steve is a terrible alliance member where he feels he has to lie to her to keep their alliance member safe. It was Vanessa who came up to him and Jmac and initiated the F3 alliance. What kind of alliance is that if you can't talk freely amongst one another? Steve spoke to the cameras about this F3 and he legitimately wants this to be his F3. If you're not going to talk freely and honestly to your legit F3 who the hell are you going to talk game to LOL
I agree steve not talking enough about his plans. But she does the same thing to him. They both have never completely trusted each other. I did like steve when he said "austwins DON'T care about you vanessa they care about them 3/themselves."

I don't see why it's such a problem to put up julia? Is there a new rule in BB where if you ever put an austwin on the block even as pawn it's game death for you? Even though little to no chance she leaves. And if she did leave why does vanessa care more about keeping austwins together than keeping jmac and steve safe? It would be blood on steve, not her. Julia even said it was fine and Liz and Autin would rather not but they didn't say you can't do that.

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Old 08-30-2015, 12:33 AM   #5123
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The more that I think about it I predict she'll end up putting up Jmac. It's the easiest way out for her, and if he gets evicted there is no one coming after her. And she's all about taking the safest path.
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Old 08-30-2015, 12:38 AM   #5124
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I think Vanessa was legit going to put up Julia until her conversation just now with Steve. She wanted reassurance from them to have her back and they gave her none. She wants to make a move on the Austwins but doesn't want the blood to be on her hands on her HOH. That's why she's pushing so hard for Megs to go which is good for her game. She wants the twins to go but it will be have to be on someone else's HOH.
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Old 08-30-2015, 12:39 AM   #5125
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The more that I think about it I predict she'll end up putting up Jmac. It's the easiest way out for her, and if he gets evicted there is no one coming after her. And she's all about taking the safest path.
UMM James and Meg? They are already Team Austin.
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