I was already s/mad and I came in here for some comfort and what do I see? You guys all talking about average, homers and RsBI.

It's really just TJ and JH

I'm not sure what the RBI talk is about. Is he trying to dumb down to his audience because I'm insulted. 😟

hahaha sorry.

I'm used to gently trying to explain newer stats to my dad, who's pretty old school in his stats.

I remember a few years ago I was going to try to explain FIP, and he thought Tim Hudson was having a better year than a peak-Roy Halladay season because of lol pitcher wins.

I think they're expecting Heyward to have a big season which would move him wayy out of our price range. He's gonna be getting 100mil min on the open market. Maybe approach 200mil if he improves offensively.

But I don't like the way Hart and co. handled it. I heard in passing that they didn't even approach Heyward about an extension..wtf? The guy has made it clear he wants to be here...

I dunno. The whole him being a Georgia boy thing makes it tough, too. And knowing we spent so much money on Uggla/BJ while at the same time unable to lock up Heyward just kills me.

Oh and it just has to be the Cards doesn't it..jfc

Gattis apparently..which is gonna be hilarious to watch. But if Justin is traded too then fuggit not like it matters..rebuilding year anyway I assume

Not sure why Kimbrel would be safe. Dude is amazing but yea yay 2 war I guess. We'd get some dumb team to give us way more than he's worth

Argh the more this gets to me I think this organization is going to rue the day they got rid of Jason

why exactly couldn't they keep him? I understand the Braves don't have Yankee money bu t I think they can afford to lock him up at 15 mil a year for 5-6 years. BTW Lastella is gone to.

I was OK with the Heyward trade when I first heard about it, but after reading that they didn't even pursue a long-term contract, I'm pretty annoyed. Possible home-town discount on a fan favorite with elite defense and solid hitting? GTFO MOAR PITCHERS

Homers and rbis tho!

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Really think it's closer to 20. But yeah we paid a 37 year old Hudson 15million lol (forgive me if my numbers are a bit off)

ok I get it, defense is important and I'm glad they quantify it

http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/po...-mvp-candidate

you'd think with him and simmons we would have been contenders with their MVP level WARs. so what happened? BJ's LVP war offset all of that? He plays decent defense tho, doesnt he?

haha I have no idea what's going on

BJ's defense is surprisingly bad.

BTW, thread clearly needs a new title.

The Braves need an individual owner to buy the team and start spending some ****ing money.

Simmons didn't have an MVP-level WAR. He had no bat at all to go with his glove, so his WAR was only 2.3.

Braves batters combined for 16.5 WAR, putting them 19th in the majors. Heyward accounted for 5.1 of that, or just over 30% of the total.

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I thought time would heal some of this but I'm just getting madder.

How ****ing dare whoever is calling the shots these days do this.





Separately, Judge, it's like you aren't paying enough attention to comment on the value of different individual players' contributions to the team's success. Like you don't understand just how bad the offense from 3b, SS, 2b and CF really were last year in Atlanta. Just how much they crippled the team. It's like you think Heyward's offensive performance was only marginally better than, say, Chris Johnson's, rather than the orders of magnitude that it was. How often do you even look at OBP? Do you understand how much further the offense will implode when you remove one of the only guys on the team who doesn't kill offensive chances through giving away outs by the gross?

How do you think Heyward's offensive performance last year compared to the league aggregate?

From grantland

Of course, if he were perfect, the Braves would’ve kept him. Heyward has been an erratic hitter throughout his five-year career, with particularly big problems against lefties, who’ve limited him to a .221/.301/.349 line. And while his defense has been phenomenal by both statistical measures and the eye test, Heyward’s disappointing offensive numbers relative to expectations have made him a one-man argument for moving away from WAR as baseball’s go-to catch-all stat, since it rates him so favorably despite his limitations.

That doesn't make a lick of sense.

JH - you are embarrassing yourself on the topic of JH.

Edit: just kidding.

By reposting what grantland said?

The other thing I did was ask the question, how do we suck so bad with a MVP WAR candidate. Simmons WAR was 6+ in 2013. Seemed to have been answered by PocketChads above, that the rest of the team was just that more horrendous. OK, I'll buy that, but my gut still says JH's WAR isnt what it seems (personal opinion)

And in 2013 we didn't suck.

Nm

There's a decent argument that we really aren't anywhere close to as certain about defensive value as offensive, particularly for corner outfielders.

Still, you really can't overstate how much difference there is between league-bottom and league-solidly-above-average OBPs -- Chris Johnson's and Jason Heyward's.

The Billy Butler deal is pretty instructive on how valuable it is to have any one guy who is even like 65% to OBP what Heyward did last year in this post roid era, and Butler can't even field.