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04-24-2012 , 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by PocketChads
Jurrjens optioned to Gwinnett

no word on replacement

am I stupid or shouldn't it be the DL instead?
Hudson is ready.
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04-24-2012 , 03:50 PM
It sucks that it came to this, but I'm glad Wren made the move. The Jair Jurrjens of 2012 hurts our team. We probably just killed all of his value in the trade market unless he makes it back up and pitches well, but I think it was necessary since we obviously have a team that should contend this season.
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04-24-2012 , 03:52 PM
I do expect him to get another start in Atlanta at some point this season, but it may be a spot start if someone goes down for an injury or if Delgado really struggles (which might prompt them to promote Teheran and not JJ depending on how JJ does in AAA).

I don't expect JJ to pitch another super meaningful game for Atlanta unless we have a ton of injuries. He won't be on the playoff roster if we make it, and as of now I'd expect him to likely be non-tendered after this season if we aren't able to trade him.
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04-24-2012 , 04:53 PM
Wtf tdom, I haven't really watched much of his starts this season so may be missing something, but just like that you are done with him? His issues, whether physical or mechanical, aren't correctable?
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04-24-2012 , 04:56 PM
Just watched the game..

Fredi not pinch hitting for JJ in the 4th made me rage so ****ing hard i can't describe

I wasn't in a good mood when i saw Wilson starting yet again but JJ hitting in the 4th put me over the top

seriously ****ing got to be kidding me fredi how can you possibly be so ****ing stupid

AND THEN IN THE 9TH YOU LET WILSON LEAD OFF AND THEN PH PASTORNICKY FOR THE PITCHER WTF IS THIS REAL LIFE
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04-24-2012 , 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by PocketChads
Well it is not like he is good, or even a prospect really. Career war o u is 0
well you're wrong. ZIPS projects 1.4 war the rest of the way or 1.1 war total. He's hit everywhere he's been and will start hitting eventually. it's been 44 abs ffs. he has a .188 babip. he'd be fine if we put him out there every game. and would be a 1-2 war upgrade over wilson for the season probably
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04-24-2012 , 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Pwn_Master
Wtf tdom, I haven't really watched much of his starts this season so may be missing something, but just like that you are done with him? His issues, whether physical or mechanical, aren't correctable?
We have a really good, deep rotation without JJ. Going to take a lot for him to crack the rotation even this year and we certainly aren't going to tender him a contract next year and pay him $6m or whatever to be our 5th/6th starter. I don't know, I hope he can make a comeback and be effective b/c when he's pitching well he's pretty good. I just don't see him ever being better than Delgado at this point. That sucks, but I think it might be true.
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04-24-2012 , 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by hard2tel
well you're wrong. ZIPS projects 1.4 war the rest of the way or 1.1 war total. He's hit everywhere he's been and will start hitting eventually. it's been 44 abs ffs. he has a .188 babip. he'd be fine if we put him out there every game. and would be a 1-2 war upgrade over wilson for the season probably
IDK I don't think most people expect Pastornicky to be much more than a utility-type in the future. He's certainly not a top prospect or anything.

I'm hesitant to trust WAR totals right now in comparing Wilson/Pastornicky b/c so much (meaning all) of Wilson's value is in his defense and there is no way a 5-6 game sample is going to help us figure out who is a better fit for this team right now.

Pastornicky has a low BABIP, but he's not exactly making tons of hard contact. His approach has been pretty bad, too. Maybe it's just that I have no expectations for Wilson offensively at all that it doesn't bother me when he sucks, but I don't really think Pastornicky has been much better.

Pastornicky has hit at every level in the minors, though, like you said, but he didn't exactly spend a ton of time in AAA.
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04-24-2012 , 06:54 PM
yea. i mean i was looking at Wilson's production since 2009..and while fangraphs probably undervalued his defense a bit in 2010 and 2011, he put up -0.1 fwar in that 140 game sample. If we insert good defensive numbers his fwar jumps to what like 1 war? During that time he also regressed a lot offensively. And yea it's still early this season but his peripherals are even worse so far. The dude is 34 years old. If his offense is as bad as I think and his defense isn't as exceptional as it used to be...which it most likely isn't...then he has no business starting imo
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04-24-2012 , 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by hard2tel
yea. i mean i was looking at Wilson's production since 2009..and while fangraphs probably undervalued his defense a bit in 2010 and 2011, he put up -0.1 fwar in that 140 game sample. If we insert good defensive numbers his fwar jumps to what like 1 war? During that time he also regressed a lot offensively. And yea it's still early this season but his peripherals are even worse so far. The dude is 34 years old. If his offense is as bad as I think and his defense isn't as exceptional as it used to be...which it most likely isn't...then he has no business starting imo
His offense is probably worse than you think. I don't know, I feel like it's pick your poison at this point. I'd actually prefer to just start Pastornicky for like a month straight and then see where we stand. If he's not cutting it, send him to AAA, start Jack Wilson and hit the trade market hard for a SS (if there is even a market come July).
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04-24-2012 , 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by tdomeski
His offense is probably worse than you think. I don't know, I feel like it's pick your poison at this point. I'd actually prefer to just start Pastornicky for like a month straight and then see where we stand. If he's not cutting it, send him to AAA, start Jack Wilson and hit the trade market hard for a SS (if there is even a market come July).
That's probably optimal..starting Pastornicky for a long stretch, then depending on his production we could do different things.

obv he doesn't have the ceiling of Simmons...but i think that calling him a non prospect like pc said is wrong. He has the potential to be pretty productive for a middle infielder..i don't think it's a given he ends up as a utility player in a few years.
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04-24-2012 , 11:17 PM
Chipper, you the old man!

Also, I love the convo going on about SS, nice work guys.
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04-25-2012 , 12:59 AM
HOLLLLLLLDD
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04-25-2012 , 01:18 AM
weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

big win. guaranteed 4-3 or better on the trip with PIT coming to town for 4 and Philly for 3. both have awfullll offenses. catching Philly at the right time. need to make hay against those teams because 16 of the next 20 are on the road. @STL @TB @Cin included
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04-25-2012 , 01:22 AM
Great at bat by Prado fouling 3 pitches off with 2 strikes before driving that triple off the center field wall
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04-25-2012 , 01:28 AM
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weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

big win. guaranteed 4-3 or better on the trip with PIT coming to town for 4 and Philly for 3. both have awfullll offenses. catching Philly at the right time. need to make hay against those teams because 16 of the next 20 are on the road. @STL @TB @Cin included
Wtf at this. Looks like we start the season with something like 17 home games and 28 road games? MLB, balance your schedules yo.

Sigh, with this tough schedule to start the season, looks like I'm gonna have to listen to these idiot Nats fans chirp a little longer about how they are not really worried about the Braves in the NL East. Yes, they are actually saying that.
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04-25-2012 , 05:48 AM
Gattis played LF for the first time in his career last game and hit 2 more HRs, now he is hitting .424 with 8 HRs, a .507 OBP and a 1.405 OPS. So sick!
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04-25-2012 , 07:08 AM
Pastornicky 3/3 with a BB, raised his avg 55 points in one night. Nice...
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04-25-2012 , 11:22 AM
that was a nice win

anyone know where you can see stats on pitchers pitch type percentage? I want to see Kimbrel's fastball %.
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04-25-2012 , 11:52 AM
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Gattis played LF for the first time in his career last game and hit 2 more HRs, now he is hitting .424 with 8 HRs, a .507 OBP and a 1.405 OPS. So sick!
Yeah I think I read they were planning on moving him to LF which probably means he's not that great of a defensive catcher OR it means his bat is so good they want to put him in a position that he can get to the Major League level quicker (hope that's the case).

If you are worried about how old he is for playing his level you shouldn't be. He took like 3-4 years off of baseball or something then got back into it.

Getting way ahead of myself, but he could be a Beachy-like find who knows.
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04-25-2012 , 11:54 AM
Really disliked McCann's pitch calling in the 9th last night. Kimbrel's first two fastballs to Ethier were unhittable and it looked like he really had his fastball command last night. Then he goes slider crazy for the rest of the inning. IDK, but I'd like to know a guy can touch my fastball before I bother even throwing a slider anywhere close to a strike.

I guess I'm being a nit, he did strike out the side after all.
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04-25-2012 , 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by tdomeski
We have a really good, deep rotation without JJ. Going to take a lot for him to crack the rotation even this year and we certainly aren't going to tender him a contract next year and pay him $6m or whatever to be our 5th/6th starter. I don't know, I hope he can make a comeback and be effective b/c when he's pitching well he's pretty good. I just don't see him ever being better than Delgado at this point. That sucks, but I think it might be true.
I don't think Wren had much of a choice sending JJ down, but I think it's a little early to write him off. I'm convinced that it's 90% mental. I don't think he trusts his leg and isn't pushing off correctly. Pretty good? 12-4 1.87 at the break and should have started the AS game is elite talent. Hopefully he can work through his mental issues at Gwinnett. He'll have a spot on the roster the rest of the season once he regains form.

Braves 11-2 in Chipper birthday games.
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04-25-2012 , 03:27 PM
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I don't think Wren had much of a choice sending JJ down, but I think it's a little early to write him off. I'm convinced that it's 90% mental. I don't think he trusts his leg and isn't pushing off correctly. Pretty good? 12-4 1.87 at the break and should have started the AS game is elite talent. Hopefully he can work through his mental issues at Gwinnett. He'll have a spot on the roster the rest of the season once he regains form.

Braves 11-2 in Chipper birthday games.
He's wasn't THAT great the first half of the year last year. Yeah, his W/L and ERA were pretty elite, but that wasn't the whole story.

I actually read a quote from Fredi yesterday that made it sound like there were issues with his strength/conditioning. Felt like they were basically telling him he needed to start to do more of the off the field work that he was slacking on. I'm not sure what the deal is, but it wouldn't surprise me if he just got complacent and started slacking. I did see him pounding Red Bull Vodkas in a bar in Buckhead last September when he was supposed to be trying to get his knee in good enough shape to pitch down the stretch.
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04-25-2012 , 04:47 PM
How many pitchers in all of MLB were better than him before the break last year? 2.6 SO/BB, 6.9 WPA (didn't take the time to compile the DIPS for the first half of last season.

Michael Irvin stayed up all night doing coke before games on his way to three rings. I assuming this is when you saw him out with his teammates. Drawing any connection between him drinking at a bar and his current problems is a bit of stretch to say the least.
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