I have been testing the FanDuel app (Big mistake! didn't know you could test the web based one instead) it's okay but needs work.

I like the site, layout etc but it needs more details and additions. I can't see how players get their points and there is no line up save option. I kinda like that once your team is set you can't change so everyone doesn't have to cling to team news all day but on the downside if you have 2 players not start it's game over and it cuts down your edge on value/risky picks.

I have cashed out decent to large amounts, it has taken time, but all funds have come through.

I really think they are understaffed in the Support capacity.

Unless something has changed since i was able to play on MG phil was their only support rep.

He still is the only support and must be hard to break even in this business with all the costs and competition from other providers to retain customers.

I agree they just have Phil to do with all customer issues. He is been fair to me so far and responds to any queries on time.

Are you still playing there ? Only see few players left there that have been there from start of the season. On customer funds Mondo's is medium rating, on term & conditions it is clear on how it is ring fenced and kept separate from operational funds.

Different providers have differing rules. The new Fan Duel site has a basic level meaning your funds are gone if they are insolvent. Same with Draft Kings which I think it is set at basic.

http://www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk...mer-funds.aspx

I really like Mondo and I want to continue playing there. I have not had a single issue re my withdrawals.

My issue is the 40% rake on their Qs (£70 total fees to get a tix worth £50). Rest of the GPPs have a 10% rake, and this is where you will see me playing.

Really wish DK would have 1 FWD and 2 UTIL. Tilting having to choose two strikers in the Euros and only being able to pick 3 MID max, especially with the prices

Actually some have £75 total buy-ins (15*5, 3*25 etc) It's funny how all over the place the qualifiers are, some at 55 early, and then 60,70,75.

Yes, it takes a while to do the know your customer checks and they have told me mine have come back okay. I am fine with the withdrawals taking time while they do the necessary checks.

On the qualifiers I agree and tend to just get one or two tickets that is it. The payouts are top heavy so you can spend more to get tickets than you will get in eventual winnings in the championship games. It makes sense to buy-in direct to a championship which they always have few places left to fill at the end.

Yes, two strikers is not the best play for tournaments. Most strikers will need to score or assist to reach value. Maybe in Premier League games it might be fine.

I emailed them with the suggestion, would like to hear if others would prefer this or not.

Two utility I will prefer and gives one flexibility. Look at the games so far, with two utility spot we can choose two defenders or one midfielder/one defender.

The salary pricing is harsh too, making line-up should be fun. 50k for 9 players but then they have increased the pricing for players. Struggle to make a decent line-up.

I totally agree, 9 players is the nuts. 8 players just doesn't work imo.

who cares if it is 2 forwards and 3 mids or 9 forwards and 0 mids or w/e, it's just a ****ing optimization problem regardless. get over it. creating tough spots in picking slightly lower than optimal EV in MF due to VORP issues at FWD is just part of the game and an interesting facet.

There is a lot of other daily football fantasy games out there. Matter of sampling and seeing what one likes. Trust me I have played all the sites and know exactly which one's I like the most. The top prizes for football DFS across the sites do not vary by that much after you convert DK's $ into £. You might not like the other sites but horses for courses they say.

Obviously people tend to discuss mainly DK's game in this forum as that is the only US site that offers soccer and other sports. They keep on chopping and changing their rules and formations for soccer. Why would they do that ? If they think they have a superior product like their Golf game.

26 games played so far in Euro 2016 and it has been dominated by defence/midfield. Except the Spain vs Turkey, Belgium vs Rep of Ireland games no other team outside Belgium & Spain has managed to score three goals or have their strikers score braces. It will get even more tight as teams get to knock-out stages, expect lots of 1-0, 1-1 and 0-0 games resulting in extra time.

'The goals-per-game average at Euro 2016 is a miserable 1.96. Lower than any World Cup in history; lower than any European Championship since 1980; lower even than Serie A in the 1980s.'

I rather play DFS sites that allow a variety of formation to take 1 forward and as much defenders & midfield players. Best way to win some decent cash. Might change my tactics when the Premier Leagues starts and goal averages hopefully rise.

It is not only about optimisation but a lot about variance/luck.

DK has changed their game in order to give back to the inexperienced players: Less players to pick, strikers becoming more important, less points for crosses (which are much less binary than goals/assists),...

At the end of the day, the variance is much bigger and I much preferred the previous games. It has been only 10 days, but I am v confident that my EV has decreased massively on DK, optimised line ups or not.

This isn't necessarily a bad thing, the fish had no chance to win before and it wouldn't have been long before they were completely out of money. The soccer lobbies have been getting progressively worse over the past couple of years and if they kept the scoring as it was, the contests would continue to worse imo.

I was in the same situation. Multiple withdrawals from both GBP and USD prior to the traffic fading. Did well enough in the 50k championship to warrant cashing some out and suddenly nothing. 5 weeks gone, no payment, no information, support unresponsive. I'm not sure what the next step even is?

I think it's entirely unacceptable for them to attract deposits to the site with no sufficiently working mechanism to get it back off.

Just to update the know your customer checks by Mondo have been completed. I have email confirming that the KYC checks have come back fine and withdrawal is done. So waiting for the funds to be processed back into the bank this week, takes at least three working days.

There is a few more sites I play that I need to send documents to do KYC this summer. Differing sites have slightly different rules and the speed they deal with it. It is a bit of a hustle all the paperwork and delays, but once it is verified any future withdrawals are done on time. That is my experience of how it works.

Are you based in the UK or the US ? Guessing it is more complicated if there are US players on Mondo while they do checks on the legality of the state the player resides in.

On resopnse all my email queries are answered. They seem under staffed and other sites seem to have more people doing customer support. All understandable and can not expect them to be on call at all times.

I am playing Squwaka's Match Boss launched just in time for Euro 2016. They confirmed they will have it for the new Premier League season as well. At last comes a big site one with a decent marketing budget and large potential player pool to take on the other platforms.

Who Scored have teamed with BuaBook to do their version. Both different than bread and butter fantasy games with salary cap around.

So the so called fish are spoilt for choice and can not see them being loyal to just one site with its flaws. Why would they ?

Hey guys, so I created an optimizer for soccer and I put it on the web here: www.dfssocceroptimizer.com

The interface is very basic, but it works! and as far as I know, is the only soccer optimizer available. Instructions are on the website. Check it out and let me know what you think, I'd really appreciate the feedback.

One note, the optimizer does not currently include the constraint of having players from at least 3 teams. So it's possible the optimal lineup will have players from less than 3 teams (tho I haven't had this occur in my testing). I hope to address this soon, but wanted to get the optimizer out there before the Euros was over!

Thank you and will try it out during the Euro's. Will give back feedback too. Indeed not many optimizers for soccer DFS as there is way too many differing sites with their own scoring and line-up rules.

Another one having problems getting money off Mondogoal. In fact, no withdrawal I have ever done from there has ever been done without me contacting support. Granted, they have never asked for a copy of my passport for the KYC checks either though, but:

Withdrawal 1: Waited 2 weeks, emailed support and it came through pretty quickly after that

Withdrawal 2: Waited 1 week, emailed support but had to wait another 10 days or so before withdrawal was processed

Current W/D 3: Submitted 3 weeks ago. 1st email to support after week 1 went unanswered. 2nd email after week 2 got a response asking for info which was sent immediately. Not heard back from then since.

Im UK too, so that isnt an issue. Sometimes you get a response within an hour, sometimes you get ignored for weeks.

Whilst its true that all my replies have come from Phil (so presumably what DS said is true) from looking at the support ticket #'s they get about 25-40 support emails per day which is not an unreasonable number for one person to respond to.

I would personally advise others not to put any money on there as I don't think they are solvent.

I've had WD issues with Mondo too, but ultimately they always seem to be resolved.

My guess is they don't have liquidity issues, they just seem to have workflow issues. I get the impression they are generally understaffed.

Nice product Black Swan, are you planning on offering a breakdown of how each player projection is made up? E.g. Goals, Assists, Crosses etc.

Also, will your program adjust based on lineup announcements?