That must be your acceptance of defeat speech.

No that was in the post where you didn't want to pass laws and ban women form openly competing.

Eh, you're becoming less and less fun to argue with. You are not as witty as you were before. Also, incase you forgot, this is not a thread about laws and banning women from competition, but rather about the reasoning the young man went through in order to forfeit the match against this QUALIFIED opponent.

You haven't been interested in that subject much yourself and your not leaving much to argue with.

Your reason for not wanting to compete with a qualified women seems to be other women arent qualified in other sports. Pretty weak.

You just keep regurgitating the same crap over and over again, huh? You just tweak it a little differently each time. I love haters tho. They sort of fuel me, ya know?

If you want to know my reasons, go reread my posts and come back here with something better than a half-a$$ed nitpicked conclusion that conveniently fits your argument or tries to make an idiot out of me. I've laid out all my evidence for you, and if you feel it is weak, then that is your opinion.

Lolz... the fact that Icheckforvalue has not given anything approaching a sane, intelligent and cogent argument does not mean that I am an unquestionable authority.

Irony do love it.

why can't women compete with men? You can't say that it's because they are women, and in fact you don't. You say that their testosterone levels are on average lower, and testosterone is one determinant of strength, etc.

Unfortunately your testosterone levels are also different from everyone else's. Why is it you can compete against other men and girls can't? Is it because the difference isn't sufficiently large within males, but is between males and females? Hopefully you'll realize where that takes us (Usain bolt and Michael Phelps surely have a tremendous biological edge...)

Someone hit bingo. Like you say, the disparity is much smaller among males than it is when you compare males to females.

Now here is something else you folks can chew on. Think of the well-being and careers of these women. No woman in the world breaks the top non gender based rankings of many sports. Look at tennis, you won't see a woman in the top 500, hell maybe even top 1000. Look at swimming, phelps has a 26 second world record time lead over the world's best female swimmer in the same event. Look at track and field, look at hockey, football, soccer, etc. Whatever sport that is strength/speed/endurance based, a woman, at the professional level will not be able to compete. With the integration of mixed gender competition, these women will no longer have sustainable careers. We would not hear of the Williams' sisters in tennis, the Cheryl Millers, the Jennie Finch's, the Billie Jean Kings, the Mia Hamms, and the Anika Sorenstams. These people would be nobodies.

Yawn. You're an idiot, and a douchebag, and you bore me.

lol... yeah, that's what the great debaters say, right? Im not here for your entertainment, either, for the record. If i bored you, you would not bother responding, you liar.

I guess at some point we're going to have to ban white males from sprinting. Or maybe Bolt will just have to refuse to race them.

Why would we do that?

Because white males have no chance to be the best at sprinting. Just like women. Duh.

You make a solid case itt. I do know of at least 3 women (all former national Judo champions) who could go head to head with many men on the mat (and I've actually seen a 118 lb girl engaged in mat work with a 200+ lb fit male. She wrestled him to a draw and he was an exceptionally strong man who did automobile bodywork repairs for a living. The girl was farm raised and had less body fat than the average woman and bigger delt mucles than normal from the farm work.) but in general I think you're right.

Women have made huge strides in sports but I think there's still enough of a physiological difference to respect a gender division in sports without ******ing equality of the sexes.

You can have an approximation of equality between the sexes without going to impractical and dangerous excesses.

This is where arguing gets stupid. You don't base rules governing people on exceptions (outliers) to the rule. You base rules on the average of the entire group.

Thank you, Splendour, for your voice of reason. Perhaps these other monkeys will wake up and stop blindly comparing apples to oranges in the name of equality.

So you agree there should be governing rules/laws keeping outlier women out of mens sports? Man....

[x] agrees with Splenda
[x] obvious sexist
[x] lolaments.

hey kid, get off the internet, find yourself a girlfriend or wife, stop being such a pesky internet loser and get out there and see the real world! Your delusions and inability to argue reasonably in a debate (courteously and logically), lead me to believe that your just a sheepish idiot. Grow up, open your eyes.

And as for you, sir...you already know the answer to that question. I believe that mixed gender competition is wrong and gender divisions in sports, serve their purpose. However, when it becomes a legal matter (as in state/federal laws as you are most likely implying), i would prefer a woman have the right to choose, and I have no say in that matter.

Then you should probably not have highlighted this "You don't base rules governing people on exceptions (outliers) to the rule. You base rules on the average of the entire group." as if you were in agreement since you dont want rules governing women ability to engage in male sports. Its a little misleading.

So your solution is we should allow women to compete with men but men should refuse to compete against women when they try to compete. Great solution.

Well. maybe you should stop misinterpreting information and stop trying to find ways to turn it against a particular poster on this site. Its quite clear to me that you missed Splendour's message. He referenced those statements as a general social guideline of governing, which can be applied to most businesses, organizations, institutions, etc. Rules and policies in a professionally run sports organization do not equate to federal/state level laws making mixed gender competition illegal. I'm sorry you were mislead, but i guess that its natural occurrence for sheep.

And as for my solution, there really is no solution, mostly because there won't be much of a problem. This will not be a common occurrence, hence why its a news story at the amateur level. I stated that i respected the kid's decision and i would do much the same. The beauty of the Lord is that he gives us freewill.

You can call it rules or laws or whatever you want. She doesn't think women should be allowed to compete in mens sports, you do.
It happens more then you think. Regardless your solution sucks. Either stand by your convictions and ban them or let them play and play them. The whole i think they should be allowed to play but we shouldn't play them is pretty ****ed up.

quoted for lolz

It's meaningless, but I found it amusing nonetheless.