She had a winning record against male competitors this season. That's how she got to the tournament in question.

That women on average are less physically strong than men, or that women don't reach the same peaks of physical strenght that men do - does not imply that a women is weak, that a man is stronger than a woman or that a man isn't weak.

Its pretty amazing to me that when a group of people get together independent of each other, all have THE SAME ARGUMENT that is logically sound and put together, that the one dissenter will continue to say "nah I'm right, **** you guys." How hard is it to admit when you are clearly wrong. We won't think less of you.

Quite often the majority is wrong. That was the case with plate techtonics even though the evidence was staring everyone right in the face.

I think you can be pretty sure that any given man who trains in wrestling will beat any given female who trains in wrestling. Sure there will be the occasional upset but not many.

Way more often lone morons are wrong.

Fallacy of numbers-
Appeal to Popularity (Appeal to Numbers)

If those lone morons cause the sheep to re-examine and defend their position I don't believe that to be a bad thing.

Wow. I've descended to the status of a lone moron...just like that, overnight. I see there is no further point to argue with stubborn donkeys ( pious ones). However, i would like to conclude that although i understand the logic behind the side you folks are standing on, the matter of the fact is that equality is an ideal, not a reality. Life is not fair, kids. Wake the **** up. Even though your blind pursuit of equality amongst gender is admirable and noble, it does not change the fact that mixed gender physical competition is still not equal by any means, and there is science to back that up. In fact, since you guys talk about majorities and all, well then... the majority of people do understand this, since most professionally business run sports organizations already do separate men's and women's leagues and activities. They must be realists. You guys are dreamers.

For a second the world felt flat to me, today.

I don't really think that is what happened here. It's not like Madnak et al have positions that they haven't thought through.

Oh, so you, Madnak, and a couple other clowns that were here earlier are the intellectual authority not to be questioned with. Sounds like hypocrisy. But then again, i guess every human has that quality of narcissistic inability to admit blame or wrongdoing. We're all human.

Not so much Madnak but you nailed Max to a T.

Sigh.

Science doesn't back you up with this women since she can beat men at wrestling.

Yeah, well like Stu said, freak occurrences will happen, as they always do in society or nature.

Science said that you cannot go without water for a week, and there were cases in Haiti where someone was found laying under rubble for over 3 weeks. Science did not back that up either. Are you still going to argue with science?

If you smoke and you live to be 95 years old in good health, are you going to tell me that cigarettes are safe now?

Also, this is a girl wrestling boys, not men.

Im not arguing with science. Im arguing with someone who thinks qualified women shouldn't compete in male sports. Do you want to pass laws that say qualified girls should be banned from boys sports?

If so then....If not then whats the point since you already do think the law should be equal for men and women on the topic we are discussing.

Why don't you name a few women that have the qualifications in professional sports at the highest levels to compete with men? I was going to say that Golf is a cop out but not even the top women's players can drive a golfball like the men do. And please don't refer to a high school amateur wrestling tournament as your source of evidence for qualifications.

...im waiting

The girl we are talking about can, why would i need any other examples. Should she be allowed to compete or should she be banned?

Im waiting to for your answers to my questions too. Not that i expect answers i can see you are most likely trolling.

How is any of this relevant?

The thread is about a high school boy who refused to wrestle a high school girl. These aren't "professional athletes performing at the highest levels". The girl had a winning record against boys she had wrestled against in the past. She was clearly capable of competing at the level she was attempting to compete at.

Yes, which raises the question "how do we deal with these freak occurrences?"

And that's the subject of this thread. Gender equality has nothing to do with it.

Ok, do i want laws to be passed?

Here's my answer. I could not care less because most people already have enough sense in their heads to know that this is generally accepted as ethically wrong and that to pass laws to re-affirm this notion is pointless. And also a law would infringe on a woman's rights, now wouldn't it? So my solution? No laws, leave things as they are and let the gun ho prove it to the world females face male competition as they please. Its their choice. I think its wrong and i fully respect the decision of this spiritually mature kid to forfeit the match, not out of sexism, but out of properly instilled values.

I don't need laws that tell me that its ethically wrong to manipulate/exploit less intelligent beings like children or the mentally challenged, do you? Some things are just or should be common sense.

Now the reason your not answering my question is because you can't. Your morally crusading right now and your talking and arguing out of your a$$ for the sake of argument.

Ok then we agree women should be treated equally under the law when it comes to competing in sports.
No the reason i didn't answer your question is what Hopey said, its irrelevant because she can compete in her sport so what others can or cant do makes no difference.

well, im glad we have some relevancy experts around here, because I thought that it was in fact whole-heartily relevant to the conversation, argument, and topic at hand. You claimed that i do not believe in open male/ qualified female competition, which i DON'T, and i asked you to name some qualified females, which you couldn't. So, what shall the elitist forumists attack me for now...

Yeah... you got to be a troll.

This entire thread is about a "qualified female".