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06-18-2010 , 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by lew189
The only thing I'm interested in is pointing out that people who challenge other people to iq tests and "success" tests in an online forum are either ******ed or 15 yrs old.
Well, I will propbet you and give you 4:1 odds that you are incorrect

I will also propbet you at even $ that I am at least 20x more successful than you are

Let me know which you accept and for how much $
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06-18-2010 , 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by SecondChance
Yes, I'm willing to do it. I'll do up to 5k, maybe more if you tell me the person I'm going up against.
I already said im not interested in taking a bunch of time out of my life for 5K. I see you have already stated we can make a official thread about it and get some more money together, that looks like a better idea. Secondly I said two people originally, or did you miss that part?

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I'm also willing to propbet at even money that I am the most successful person who is a regular of this forum.
Successful is vague. Why not define exactly what you mean and we can start working on a bet for this one as well.
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06-18-2010 , 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by SecondChance
As for my definition of "smart", there are multiple types (ability to think logically, ability to absorb information, knowledge, and some others that I might be forgetting). Clearly, I'm talking about the ability to think logically and form rational arguments, and ability to absorb information
You should stick around the forum and show the theists how much information your big brain has about their dumbness.
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06-18-2010 , 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Weatherhead03
I already said im not interested in taking a bunch of time out of my life for 5K. I see you have already stated we can make a official thread about it and get some more money together, that looks like a better idea. Secondly I said two people originally, or did you miss that part?



Successful is vague. Why not define exactly what you mean and we can start working on a bet for this one as well.
Why 2 people? Just pick the smartest person? I'm only doing 2 people if you let me pick a friend who is an atheist to also participate. And, I'm willing to do up to 20k provided you tell me the name of the person I'm going up against and I have time to research his posts.

As for successful, here is my definition, tell me if you would like to change it. I'm willing to propbet that I am more successful than any regular on this forum (theist or non theist). Regular defined as at least 30 posts in this forum. Successful defined as has made the most $$ from any job (poker included...lottery, inheritance etc. not included). I will also say that I also have more selfmade assets (defined as value of home, car, bankroll, stocks, $ in bank account, etc.) than anyone on this forum. In fact, I'm willing to bet at even $ that I have both more assets AND have made more $ than any regular on this forum, and if you can find a regular on this forum that has more of either (again, lottery, inheritance etc. not included), then I lose.

Let me know how much you want to wager and I will gladly match it, up to 20k on both bets.
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06-18-2010 , 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by batair
You should stick around the forum and show the theists how much information your big brain has about their dumbness.
Most likely not going to happen, I have other stuff to do/arguing with stupid people is only fun for a while
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06-18-2010 , 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by SecondChance
Why 2 people? Just pick the smartest person? I'm only doing 2 people if you let me pick a friend who is an atheist to also participate. And, I'm willing to do up to 20k provided you tell me the name of the person I'm going up against and I have time to research his posts.
Posts like this is what I was responding to.

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Of course not? There are plenty of dumb people who don't believe in god, just look at this thread. However, my definition of people who believe in god is "******ed beyond belief", and this applies to 99.99999% of cases. As was said, this was obviously different 500+ years ago, when believing in god had very little to do with intelligence
So if I could find two people on this very forum that had a higher IQ than you, your premise is false.

I really don't need them to beat you to prove your premise wrong but I like seeing people put up or shut up.

I obviously can't tell you the names of these people since I havent contacted any of them to see if they would be interested in doing this bet. Which isn't all that likely since the people I'm thinking of could care less to get involved in a pissing contest but hey, you never know.


As for your successes, I'm not ******ed, and won't be taking such a bet. I know nothing about you and know next to nothing about the financial standing of the regulars that post here in RGT. Its not exactly an issue with people here but hey, congrats on your success, but nobody really cares.
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06-18-2010 , 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Weatherhead03
Posts like this is what I was responding to.



So if I could find two people on this very forum that had a higher IQ than you, your premise is false.

I really don't need them to beat you to prove your premise wrong but I like seeing people put up or shut up.

I obviously can't tell you the names of these people since I havent contacted any of them to see if they would be interested in doing this bet. Which isn't all that likely since the people I'm thinking of could care less to get involved in a pissing contest but hey, you never know.


As for your successes, I'm not ******ed, and won't be taking such a bet. I know nothing about you and know next to nothing about the financial standing of the regulars that post here in RGT. Its not exactly an issue with people here but hey, congrats on your success, but nobody really cares.
The point is, IQ tests are still not a "true" measure of IQ, and the probability of 2 people that you are self selecting beating me is much higher than the probability of one person beating me. You're trying to get everyone to take an IQ test, and then if someone gets "lucky" on it (since there obviously is some luck to IQ tests), they might beat me, and then you win the bet. I'm only 1 person, so I only want to be facing against 1 person..not sure why that's such a big deal?

As for my success, you and this forum both agree that I am ******ed, so if that's the case, how can I be successful? I don't know much about you either, (other than the fact that you have teh downsyndrome), but I'm willing to take this bet based on what limited information I have...since you think I'm ******ed, I'm not sure why you're so hesitant on either bet?

I mean, you literally can pick the best person in either category from this forum...are you trying to tell me that because you don't know my life story (but you think I'm ******ed from these posts), that you can't find ONE person who's smarter OR more successful OR has more $$? Remember, I'm ******ed
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06-18-2010 , 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by SecondChance
2000+ years ago, back when people thought the earth was flat and that the sun revolved around the earth, religion was a widely accepted theory. I don't understand how people can truly believe in the bible..just because a bunch of crazies 2000+ years ago claimed to have saw god doesn't make it true. If I "saw" god tomorrow and said he looked like a unicorn, would you believe me? What if I got my group of 5 friends to say the same thing?

People say that god creates miracles, yet, as poker players (well most of you are busto poker players but still), haven't you at least heard of variance? That's what creates miracles..what explains why bad things happen to good people, and a bunch of other concepts.

Moreover, why do people even want there to be a god? I never got that..people claim to have faith, just because they want to live after life? For most people, life isn't even that great...I'd even venture to say that for over 50% of people in this world, death is better than life is for them.


Little full of ourselves aren't we?

We're not all busto poker players, and some of us are capable of understanding things you evidently aren't, like not being conceited enough to write off the lives of half the planet, like we even have a f*cking clue.

I'd be tempted to tell you to f*ck off, given that I'm tired and half-cut and my football team can't even beat algeria, but i'll rise above it and be the bigger man.

you did come in making yourself look like a clueless jumped-up tw@t though.
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06-18-2010 , 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Hainesy_2KT
Little full of ourselves aren't we?

We're not all busto poker players, and some of us are capable of understanding things you evidently aren't, like not being conceited enough to write off the lives of half the planet, like we even have a f*cking clue.

I'd be tempted to tell you to f*ck off, given that I'm tired and half-cut and my football team can't even beat algeria, but i'll rise above it and be the bigger man.

you did come in making yourself look like a clueless jumped-up tw@t though.
I actually do have a clue...life simply isn't that great for the majority of people in this world. It's sad, but it's true, and a fact. Most people live in poverty, spending the majority of the day working at a job they don't like...living only for their kids. Who's to say that death is even that bad? You're acting like death is some terrible thing, which I definitely disagree with.

And, maybe there are 1-2 of you that aren't busto, but I highly doubt that even that is true. Prove me wrong
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06-18-2010 , 07:15 PM
SecondChance, whats your definition of successful? net worth? college degrees?
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06-18-2010 , 07:16 PM
SecondChance:

If you were half as intelligent as you think you are, you would realize that people who talk like you are a dime a dozen, and therefore wouldn't bother.
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06-18-2010 , 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by SecondChance
The point is, IQ tests are still not a "true" measure of IQ, and the probability of 2 people that you are self selecting beating me is much higher than the probability of one person beating me. You're trying to get everyone to take an IQ test, and then if someone gets "lucky" on it (since there obviously is some luck to IQ tests), they might beat me, and then you win the bet. I'm only 1 person, so I only want to be facing against 1 person..not sure why that's such a big deal?
Because I orginally proposed two people. Simple as that.

If you think there is too much variance in one test you can take multiple and take the average.

As for the rest of your post.


I never backed out of the IQ test, I said no to your proposed success bet or whatever.
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06-18-2010 , 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by dknightx
SecondChance, whats your definition of successful? net worth? college degrees?
It was already said, net worth+money made. I'm pretty sure that I also went to a better college than everyone except for 2 people at very most who are regulars in this forum, but not fully confident on that
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06-18-2010 , 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by SecondChance
Well, I will propbet you and give you 4:1 odds that you are incorrect

I will also propbet you at even $ that I am at least 20x more successful than you are

Let me know which you accept and for how much $
You have serious self-esteem issues.
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06-18-2010 , 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Weatherhead03
Because I orginally proposed two people. Simple as that.

If you think there is too much variance in one test you can take multiple and take the average.

As for the rest of your post.


I never backed out of the IQ test, I said no to your proposed success bet or whatever.
Sure, if you want to take 2 people and average their scores, feel more than free. Bet on, how much you wagering? Let's try to find some other people to put money on it as well

Last edited by SecondChance; 06-18-2010 at 07:22 PM.
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06-18-2010 , 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by SixT4
You have serious self-esteem issues.
Nope, this entire forum thinks I'm ******ed, and a prop bet was issued, so let's prop bet. If you recall, I didn't bring up any of this. It seems like all of you claim I'm stupid (in fact, it was mentioned that I might even be as dumb as Gunth, who seems like he's the resident moron of an already moronic forum), so I'm just curious as to why no one is taking any of these prop bets? Are you guys really that busto or something? I mean, I'll do the success bet for any amount over 100 bucks I guess, but for the IQ bet and all the time it's gonna take I need at least 3k in action to make it worth my while (and travel expenses paid for by the loser(s))
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06-18-2010 , 07:20 PM
The most cunning debater is the one who convinces someone of something without ever actually arguing his point, and even after he is gone, nobody recognizes how expertly he played his opponent, or even realizes that he was playing them at all.
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06-18-2010 , 07:23 PM
secondchance, what college did you go to and what degree did you get and what do you do for a living?
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06-18-2010 , 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by dknightx
secondchance, what college did you go to and what degree did you get and what do you do for a living?
Too much information...why would I reveal all of this and give you perfect information, when I don't know whom I'm betting against?

Bet against me and find out with the limited information that is presented in the thread (that I'm a moron according to almost every regular of this forum), because that's all the information I have as well.
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06-18-2010 , 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by SecondChance
Too much information...why would I reveal all of this and give you perfect information, when I don't know whom I'm betting against?

Bet against me and find out with the limited information that is presented in the thread, because that's all the information I have as well.
why would anyone bet with you? im asking because im curious not because i think i make more money than you.
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06-18-2010 , 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by dknightx
why would anyone bet with you? im asking because im curious not because i think i make more money than you.
Nm misread post sorry

But, your answer to one of those questions should be obvious, and the answer to another should be fairly easy to ballpark
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06-18-2010 , 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by wants
The most cunning debater is the one who convinces someone of something without ever actually arguing his point, and even after he is gone, nobody recognizes how expertly he played his opponent, or even realizes that he was playing them at all.
Example?
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06-18-2010 , 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by SecondChance
Sure, if you want to take 2 people and average their scores, feel more than free. Bet on, how much you wagering? Let's try to find some other people to put money on it as well
This wouldnt be the average of their two scores. It would be your average score vs each of their average scores.

I obviously dont know what I would wager since I don't know who is willing to participate....but at least the 3K you said was your min. At that I dont even see the point so im sure we could come up some more money.
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06-18-2010 , 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Weatherhead03
This wouldnt be the average of their two scores. It would be your average score vs each of their average scores.

I obviously dont know what I would wager since I don't know who is willing to participate....but at least the 3K you said was your min. At that I dont even see the point so im sure we could come up some more money.
Sure, tell me whom I'm going up against and I'll be willing to do up to 20k, but only vs 1 person. I'll do 2 people, but you're giving me 1:1.5 odds, since after all, it's rumored that I'm almost as dumb as Gunth, and you only need 1 of 2 people to beat me.
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06-18-2010 , 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by SecondChance
Nm misread post sorry

But, your answer to one of those questions should be obvious, and the answer to another should be fairly easy to ballpark
i havent been following this thread super closely, so which of these is obvious and which is easy to ballpark?

1. College you attended
2. Degree(s)
3. What you do for a living
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