Wrong question, I'd have asked 'god, why did you allow the boat I was on to sink, initially killing everybody aboard except for me, and then make me stupid enough to fail to survive when I had two possibilities of rescue, which makes me feel awful for the people who dies horribly, awful for dying myself and awful for being such a muppet?'

Its the way you tell 'em

Or ask them.

Oh crap, I had another sense of humour failure where religion is concerned. Maybe it was because I'd just finished reading about how 7 people were beheaded in Saudi Arabia (and the SPA statement below) before making that post.

Hysterical.

It took effort to point out your deficit in logic. I'll agree with that.

The Atheist struggle, but the Turtle moves ! The Turtle moves !

my favorite story. I still remember it since kid.

This atheist is really struggling. I am an atheist myself but I really wish that people like you would have some shame. You ruin our image.

LOL, looks like Cwoc is in danger of losing his title as 'least convincing atheist on RGT'.

+1

The tolerance of positive thinking is enforced tolerance – enforced not by any terroristic agency but by the overwhelming anonymous power and efficiency of the technological society. As such it permeates the general consciousness – and the consciousness of the critic. The absorption of the negative by the positive is validated in the daily experience which obfuscates the distinction between rational appearance and irrational reality.

There are rules against plagarism. ^^

[ ] Atheism

[x] Agnosticism

rational

Now this is what I call a true Dawkins style Atheist pure and simple Satanist.
Wonder if this guy ever saw the real Necromicon. A fake satanist, how petty .

Hmm I'm sure it was a level. I can't curse or my post will be deleted.
Sorry to hurt ur feelings girls.
What is faith to atheist?

I can't help it if you don't understand this position

1. There is no credible evidence that an interventionist God exists.
2. The organised religions are unconvincing and there is little reason to believe one rather than another or indeed any of them when it comes to descriptions of God or the afterlife etc.
3. Religious people have studied spiritual matters and goodness for thousands of years so it is natural turn to them for moral guidance.

Not when they've been found wanting so often

There is a problem here, I hope you can see it.

Either religious moral codes have A) come from supernatural sources (e.g. the Ten Commandments being given to Moses by God), or B) come from rational naturalistic reasoning, or C) they are just naturalistic guesses.

Only B & C are possible if your 1&2 are true.

If B is true, then we don't need religious morality, we just use the rational secular method they used.

If C is true, then we have no reason to believe their morals are worthwhile, and have no way of resolving conflicts between the moral rules of different religions.

It seems you are going to be forced to accept B, in which case I'm curious as to what examples you can give of secular, rational reasoning being used to derive the moral codes of religions. It sure seems like most religions I'm aware of say that A is their method, in which case (given your 1&2) they are either liars or lunatics, neither of which should give us much confidence in their judgement.

None of it has to be true. Morals is their day job so they're better at it after doing it for thousands of years.

This is just restating your initial position. Would you care you engage with the questions instead? It sounds like you are adopting B...

I am not interested in your A, B or C. They are serious about morals and living a good life because of their sincerely held beliefs.

their sincerely held beliefs have no baring on whether or not their morality is adequate or appropriate.

being wrong for a very long time doesn't make you less wrong.

I think it is appropriate and comprehensive. There are lots of religious theologians/moralists who have devoted their lives to studying morality. I am not arguing that all religiously derived morality is immaculate I am arguing that religion is the natural place to seek it that's all.

How do you choose which religion's moral values you should follow?

The values which are common are stronger obv.