Hey, somebody has to be out there in the narrow part of the distribution. May as well be you.

Well done Leon.
I almost feel sorry for the local. You spewed all Leon vengeance on them.

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guess whos back... back again....

sick hits

Hope you are doing Ok leon.
I will share a funny story from last weekend since it has been quiet in this thread lately.

I was playing VP at the Cosmo and 2 machines over from me a man and his girlfriend are playing $5 credit single line DDB Dream Card. They get dealt:

Ah AKQs DC which the machine picks the Js for the dream card for 4 to the royal.

The guy turns to his girlfriend and asks her what she wants to do. She says hold the Aces... He says he was thinking that too.
I just can't keep my mouth shut, I say, hey I would hold 4 to the royal, this is what you hope for in this game, to make a Royal.
He says, the Aces are guaranteed winner and we are trying to make money to which i respond, If you hit the 10s here it will pay 20k!
Nah we are going to hold the aces. So I say well do me a favor at least and change the dream card to a 3rd ace if you are going to do that.
He says, cool didn't know you could do that! Holds 3 aces and his hand doesn't improve...

Was the next card dealt the 10s?

Some people go for the "sure thing"...

I was playing a single line progressive royal DDB game. I was dealt A A As Ts Qs... I opted to hold ATQ of Spades, and poof I hit the royal.. Smart play? No, but hey...

Some people have different goals I guess?

What's really tilting is that Cosmo bases their ADT for VP on perfect play (e.g. you don't get squat for playing 9/6 jacks), when the vast majority of gamblers are like these droolers who have no idea what they're doing.

I've got another Vegas trip lined up soon and there'll be a TR from that, win or lose. Not much to report on the local front- I've been several times since my 64k day and had two big losers and one small winner. Nothing noteworthy.

As far as that dreamcard royal hand... if I got involved (probably wouldn't given what I'm about to say) and I heard that "we're here to make money" comment... I probably would have gone off. Something to the effect of, "yeah I figured, that's why I'm trying to help you from throwing tons of money away with your awful play". You just can't help some people.

Lol, No the next card was not the 10s. I rarely ever offer unsolicited advice cause people are always results oriented, they follow my advice and it doesn't work out it always ends with an I told you so from them. The only reason I spoke up this time was mostly based on it looked like they were going to hold the Aces and not change the dream card to the 3rd ace. They were appreciative when I told them they could change the dream card.


Good luck on your trip Leon. Looking forward to the TR as usual.

That isn't how "next cards" work in vp. The RNG is spinning continuously.

Really? I guess I always assumed that the whole deck was dealt at the beginning of the hand. Learned something new today.

Some (all?) vp machines used to work that way, but I don't think any have in the past 20 years or so.

It makes sense to do a continuous shuffle to prevent that 1 in a billion chance that someone finds a way to exploit the RNG if the entire deck is dealt at the beginning of the hand. I just never really gave it any thought.

While we're on the topic, I heard years ago that VP machines at casinos on Indian reservations could be tweaked by the casino such that they aren't really random (i.e. the outcome of a hand could be pre-decided), even though they're the same make and model as the ones in Vegas. I brushed it off as superstition at the time but then I heard the same thing again more recently. Something about those casinos not being subject to the same gaming regulations as Vegas so they were allowed to get away with some shady stuff. Anyone know if there's any truth to that?

Some casinos have to be bingo based games which is why they perhaps had modified pays etc. they created models through mock bingo and bingo cards to match commonly played VP slots etc

Yes.

Class 2 vs Class 3 video poker machines

That's wild. I guess I've never seen a Class 2 VP machine. Are they common? I think I'd definitely notice if the machine changed my hold cards at the end of the hand. I may drink while I play but not THAT much!

P.S. Sorry for the thread derail.

A vp playing buddy of mine sat at one of these once. After he discovered what was happening, he entertained himself for the rest of the night by tossing dealt paying hands just to see how the machine would "make it up to him."

/derail

Heh, I had a co-worker that was a vp addict. He was 7-star in the CET loyalty system. He "introduced" me to vp. I told him about Wizard of Odds, etc but he said "Nah, I just play to have fun and I'm drinking too much to use an actual strategy". His method was to always just go for a royal.

so much this

when traveling in se asia i found tons of casinos but almost no poker so taught myself how to count, learned perfect strategy and hit up the blackjack tables, went pretty well and people would notice I'd hit/stand/surrender in spots where they wouldn't and it'd be working out so they'd ask for advice sometimes assuming correctly i knew the odds

so they'd be mulling over what to do, tell me they are thinking of hitting and ask for my input, i'd something like "well it's a negligible difference but ideally you should stand here" and they do that and then the next card would have given them 21 and of course I'm the idiot in this situation and the dynamic could turn like that to a friendly table to a contentious one like that

worst ever was one drunken honeymoon couple knocked over their chips and were convinced they were missing a few and were talking between themselves as if i weren't present like they think i must have ninja'd to the carpet and stolen their chips despite that i never left my stool the entire time

think the most ev from video poker is you don't have to deal with those people

not at all, incredibly fascinating, but then again, see the above, i'm guilty myself

Did you make a "deal or no deal" offer to buy the hand? I'm too lazy to figure out the number, but that's the idea that comes to mind.

I could only imagine their heads would have exploded and an ensuing controversy if I had and then hit the royal for 20k.

It surely was interesting to watch them play VP. They also were hoping around different games and denoms on the machine, they would go between $1/2/5 credits, that was the puzzling thing, they got 4 to a royal on the highest credits.

They made a straight on UX single line and then went to the game selection screen. This was the only other time I said something, I said in case you didn't know you can play an 8x multiplier hand on the game you just left. Thanks for letting us know they said!

jesus, i think we've just invented a new career, patrol the vp machines with a gangster roll and and list of what you'll pay for what holdings

like selling insurance in holdem

Make sure they yank their players card out before the final deal.

Reminds me of this story. I live in Florida so this was in the news down here at the time. Man had his woman friend push the button so they paid her even though it was his money. No idea what rule other casinos follow.
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/loc...142963604.html


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