LVR,

There’s a method to my interaction madness, I appreciate that you can read beyond that and find some diamonds in the rough. Respect bro

This a much more reasoned response, thanks. As a mental exercise, take the above argument you wrote and replace each reference to "poker" with any other aspirational vocation such as "become an actor" and "hobby" with "passion" and see if the sentiment express still carries a negative connotation.

Then evaluate your comments about his decision to focus on his daughter's career rather than his own and consider alternate careers she might have pursued rather than modeling and see if you still view the situation as negatively.

The difference in which we apparently view these scenarios may not come down to differences in our life experiences but instead simply how we view the value or morality in the the specific careers they chose. I personally don't view a career in poker as being particularly worthwhile for mankind but I hold that same view about a lot of careers, so I'm hesitant to pass judgement on someone's passions and dreams that don't align my own ideals.

PZ,

The difference between Poker and an Entertainment career is as follows:

Even at the bottom levels of getting work in entertainment, you go to work, they pay you.

At the bottom levels of poker You buy in with Your money to participate, when you lose you’ve lost Your money and made Zero. You then go home with no new rent money and no new money to feed your child.

When you’re a father, in my opinion, this is simply unacceptable to consider “a career” or “a job” particularly when your results are showing you’re not a long term winner in a way that makes enough money to support your family. You’re then just a guy chasing your own interest over the better interest of your families needs.

You may not know I come from an entertainment background. I “made it” (financially at least) and never was there a time where I went to work as a PA or an extra and I was told “buy in is $200-$500+, if the thing we are working on sucks or does badly you may lose some or all of that buy in” do I get an hourly or a commission? “Nope! But if we do well or the project is awesome, you may leave with your buy in or anywhere from $1 profit to 3x your buy in on average!”

Most people who try to get into the entertainment industry will fail and if they are parents they'll be unable to provide for their children [if they continue in that endeavor]. And as for losing money the same can be said for lots of other career choices like trying to start your own business.

I mean you can draw comparisons between lots of things but that does not make them alike. You seem to be defending the nobility of the job you admire or enjoy, which feels personal. So there probably isn’t much headway to be made on this topic beyond this point.

It makes them alike in all the factors explained in your own post. The only difference is the value judgement you've placed on a career in poker or modeling. As for my personal view, I do find nobility in people taking big risks in their lives, esp. when so many people lack the courage to do so themselves. And this nobility accrues irrespective of whether or not they're ultimately successful at their endeavor. I've already said I don't find a career in poker as especially worthy or admirable so you're read on that is off. But I try not to label people as sucky just because they make career choices different from my own.

there's nothing wrong with taking risks in life, it's refusing to fold tent and move on when following your dream clearly is not working out especially when there are people who depend on you

I've been a DoP in a busy tv/film city for 20 years. There's a very large community of busy, talented production crew and staff... we go non stop for 10 months of every year.

But I guess I have to tell my son that he's totally screwed because I'm unable to provide for him.

What a ridiculous, unfounded, generalized, brainless statement you make, pocket_zeros.

Congratulations on your success. The comment I made was about those who aren't successful in establishing themselves in the business. And I was actually defending those who took the risk to try, regardless of whether they succeed or not. I have no idea how you translated what I wrote as meaning those who are successful in establishing careers in the business are unable to provide for their families.

Fair ball then. I guess I didn't scroll back far enough for the context. Taken on its own that seemed to be a pretty damning statement, but if you didn't mean it as such, then my apologies to you.

But PZ I didn’t do that whatsoever so clearly you’re either choosing to misread me or perhaps you don’t have the life experience to truly get what I’m saying, which I feel has been pretty clearly stated: chase your dreams, choose whatever career path you like. I don’t judge porn actors for their career choice. Their career choice also doesn’t take good food and shelter away from their family.

There are plenty of pro poker players that make a great living and have a family they support, this guy was a hobby player who took a shot, missed, doubled down, missed again. When that failed he didn’t get another job according to Marle he just drove her to auditions. I don’t understand how you hear that and go “no judgements, bro”

Yeah. Didn't Marle said that when her father's poker endeavor failed they moved to their grandparent's house? That sounds like a responsible decision. I mean from what I saw on the video, at least he didn't keep trying until they were broke and begging on the streets.

Also, if you invest money in a business venture and it doesn't work out you could end up losing money similar to losing a buy-in in poker. In the case of failing at entrepreneurship you don't know if it'll fail in a month, a year, or even 3 years after barely making it. At least in poker once you lose you know it instantly.

Still, everyone sees things differently and we're all entitled to our own opinion.

What's going on in this thread lately with people politely disagreeing and even apologizing...

Its either a heart warming Leave It To Beaver moment or the 4th sign of the upcoming Apocalypse.




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People are only really passionate about Trooper, which is when the heated discussions and insults happen.

The LVL vlogs threads have accounted for close to 6,000,000 views and as Trooper would say, "well you know".

Many a great poker vloggers in the thread and new ones continually entering it.

Even surpassed the GOAT MooreMoney19.

And the fact stormtrooper97 accounts for 2.5 million of those views is IRRELEVANT to the conversation.

Closer to 3 mil if you count his Gimmick's gimmicks.

But many career choices that fail can take food and shelter away from their family so I'm still not understanding your point here.

How did you establish her father was a hobby player rather than a professional player?

Daaayaaaaaam!!! Trooper is absolutely crushing it at 2/5. At the end of today's video he throws a little shade at all you haterz out there.

Oh nos.not shade from the trooper bc he wins a little money
Anything but that


You're referring to the haters on here who predicted exactly how poker would go for him years ago right?

I hope I can be one of them!

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